Rising Terrorism in the Country... Will the Government Be Able to Convince PTI to Sit Together?
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00:00We were discussing how political parties can play their role and what Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaab should do, but let's talk about the future.
00:08Hassan, let's start with you.
00:11Bilawal himself said that the PTI should be put together.
00:21If there is a deliberation on this again, there is no doubt about it because it is a matter of national security.
00:27Of course, consensus building is important, but what were the things that were missing?
00:32The PTI did not participate in it, but were there any operational points of view that should have been discussed?
00:38There was a little haste.
00:40As you said earlier, all the political leaders have sat down.
00:44I think they have sat down in a little haste.
00:47Because it was a parliamentary committee, Mr. Imran Khan could not have participated in it.
00:52The PTI did not apply for parole.
00:59But the government was accusing the PTI of not applying for parole.
01:03And the interesting thing is that all the members of the National Assembly and Senators can participate in the parliamentary committee.
01:10Even if Mr. Imran Khan had come out on parole, he would not have been able to participate.
01:15So what are they arguing for?
01:19Yes, it was their right that they wanted to meet Mr. Imran Khan.
01:23So they said that it would have been better if they had met us.
01:27We would have got them to meet.
01:29Are you still in talks with him?
01:31No, the APC will host itself.
01:34Salman Akram Raja is saying that the APC will host the PTI.
01:37So when the PTI hosts the APC, will it call the government?
01:41If it calls the government, it will call all the departments of the government.
01:44You see, you are also calling the NKM.
01:46APC is an all-party conference.
01:48Is it inside the parliament or outside the parliament?
01:50APC will be outside the parliament.
01:54You can do a round table, you can call the APC.
01:56Now, basically, you have to have a political discussion in that.
01:59Will the real leadership come in that?
02:01Will the real leadership come in the APC?
02:03Do you have to give a briefing?
02:04I mean, there are some questions in this.
02:06So such a working relation should be formed between the government and the opposition.
02:11Because what do you have to do?
02:12After political discussion, you have to give authority to the real leadership
02:16as to how you have to deal with terrorism.
02:19This is the issue.
02:20Your main objective is to get out of terrorism.
02:23You don't have any political crisis in this country.
02:25The issues you have are not political.
02:28They are issues of terrorism.
02:30And for that, the whole nation has to be united.
02:32And one more thing is that
02:33You have to provide your support.
02:34In that, if there is economic stability or political stability,
02:39they are all connected to this issue.
02:42Mr. Amir, the National Security meeting that took place earlier,
02:46before that, it was said that all parties will have a conference.
02:48Then this meeting took place.
02:49Obviously, some parties did not participate in this.
02:51PTI did not come.
02:52Mr. Ajit Jai did not come.
02:55Mr. Akhtar Mengal did not come.
02:56Do you think that later, the announcement that took place,
03:00we saw that ANP accepted it.
03:02Then JUI said that they were taken in confidence.
03:04Do you think that something was missing in that?
03:07What Mr. Hassan said,
03:08it was done in Ujlat.
03:10It was done in Ujlat.
03:11When you know that it is such a big issue.
03:13We have two fronts of terrorism.
03:15There is a different kind of terrorism in Bulgaria.
03:17And there is a different kind of KP.
03:19And the tool kit to deal with both should be different.
03:22It should not be the same.
03:23Okay, here I say again that the responsibility of the government comes.
03:26Ujlat means that when you know that you are going to do such an important thing.
03:29So, if you had done a little bit of spread work,
03:32a little bit of public opinion,
03:34he did not do that at all.
03:36Where did he have to do that?
03:37He did not have to do it on the media.
03:38If he had to bring the PTI,
03:40then he would have talked to the PTI in a completely covered way.
03:43He had a condition that he had to consult with Imran Khan.
03:46So, he would have facilitated it.
03:48That is, he was right to bring him out of jail,
03:50that there is no sorrow.
03:52But you say that he does not get any excuse to do it.
03:55In the same way, Mr. Mengal should have approached.
03:57In the same way, Mr. Jai should have approached.
04:00Because we go to the PTI.
04:02If you talk about the issue of Balochistan
04:04and there is no mention of Minus Aftar Mengal or Dr. Abdul Malik Baloch,
04:08then there is no meaningful discussion.
04:10Okay?
04:11So, until a lot of people come and sit,
04:13then I think that the government has taken the initiative.
04:16Then, what do you do?
04:18When you did such an important conference,
04:20it was not enough to say that we have to fight terrorism.
04:23It is also important that what will be the practical value of it?
04:26There is one more thing.
04:28So, he was completely silent.
04:29There was one more thing there.
04:30Basically, it was briefed there that we are doing this
04:32and we need consensus on this matter.
04:34We all need to sit together.
04:36We need support that we are doing these things.
04:38Basically, that was the point.
04:39Because I had also raised this question
04:41that are we thinking about any Hikmat-e-Amli again?
04:44Do we have to revisit our National Action Plan?
04:47As Mr. Bilawal was saying,
04:49so, the need for that was not felt.
04:51But a question arises,
04:52when you are calling people,
04:53then we will do it.
04:54Look, Mr. Shahbaz has been in power since three years.
04:57He came to PDM-1 and then came to his government.
05:00What was the result of his Hikmat-e-Amli?
05:02Terrorism has increased.
05:04It means that whatever method you are using,
05:07it is not working.
05:08Kinetic operations are going very well.
05:10The army is making a lot of sacrifices.
05:12But at the same time, as Army Chief has also said,
05:14there are no Islamic reforms,
05:16no political reforms,
05:17no economic reforms.
05:18And there is also a political angle to that.
05:21The political angle is not saying that you should talk to BLA.
05:23But you should talk to your mainstream political party
05:26We will talk to them.
05:27You are the kind of people who can engage them.
05:29I would like to add something to this.
05:31Look, Mr. Akhtar Mengal has a political face.
05:33His brother, Javed Mengal,
05:35he has also taken up arms.
05:37He has basically made an army of Pakistan.
05:39So, how will we talk to Mr. Akhtar Mengal?
05:42Till date, we have not been able to talk to him.
05:44Till date, we have not been able to talk to him.
05:46Now, the thing is,
05:47these two are one.
05:49But this is the thing,
05:51look at their contacts,
05:52look at their relationships,
05:54look at their visits to each other.
05:56Okay, one more thing.
05:57One second.
05:58Let me answer first.
05:59This is your opinion.
06:01I would say that the state is very powerful.
06:04If you see an illusion somewhere,
06:07that a brother is saying,
06:08I am part of the system.
06:09Then clear him.
06:10No, engage him.
06:11Engage him.
06:12There are two ways.
06:13Either you stonewall him.
06:14Or the way is that you engage him.
06:16So, there you know that
06:18maybe what he is saying is right.
06:19I am not saying.
06:20But you still take advantage of that contradiction
06:22and try to bring it to the mainstream.
06:25I say it again and again.
06:26All these big leaders,
06:28talk to them.
06:30You start a system of talking to them.
06:32All the big leaders of Balochistan,
06:34ask them,
06:35Sir, how much fund have you taken till date?
06:37How much did you invest?
06:38Balochistan is poor, right?
06:39Okay, let's come to this.
06:40Balochistan is poor.
06:41So, his third party audit.
06:43Call an international auditor.
06:44Forget about the government.
06:45Try to get them audited.
06:46Then you will see the reality of Akhtar Mengar.
06:51I get it.
06:52Balochistan is poor there.
06:54They call Balochistan poor.
06:55And the money taken there,
06:57where did it go?
06:58They don't account for that.