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00:00Asalaamu Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:30Today we have two big news, a very important briefing of the security committee of the parliament
00:35and a lot of Q&A sessions were held, a meeting of 3-4 hours was held,
00:38which was addressed by the army chief and the prime minister as well.
00:41All the big leaders, Maulana Fazlur Rahman and others, all the people gave their speeches on it,
00:46and shared their ideas as well.
00:49And the big news was that the biggest opposition party, PTI, boycotted it at the last moment.
00:55And now this debate is going on, the government is saying,
00:57look, whoever is not with the army and the martyrs, they are with the terrorists.
01:03Then the army chief said two-three very important things.
01:06First, he said that we need to make the country,
01:09better governance and a country like Pakistan, a hard state.
01:13What is a hard state in the context of politics?
01:16The concept of a hard state is that any country has to rely on its military and economic power
01:20to achieve its goals.
01:24That becomes a hard state.
01:26There is a soft state, which has diplomacy and cultural influence.
01:31So there are examples of hard states.
01:33There is North Korea, Iran, China.
01:37I can name more countries.
01:39And you will find it common in all of them that democracy and democracy
01:42go in a secondary position.
01:45And when we talk about a hard state in Pakistan,
01:47it means that the current situation will go even harder.
01:51But at the same time, they also said a big sentence on the government,
01:55which we will consider a very sharp criticism of the government.
01:57They said, how long will we fill the gaps of governance with the blood of the soldiers of Pakistan and the martyrs?
02:03And we have been saying in these programs that the army can fight the terrorists,
02:07but the army cannot fight terrorism.
02:09Civil infrastructure, your governance, your development, and everything else will fight terrorism.
02:15And we are still seeing this.
02:16As far as kinetic matters are concerned, we just saw from Jaffer Express,
02:19it was a very big incident, which was dealt with very well, with minimum life loss.
02:25But it was still a kinetic operation.
02:27It will continue to happen, and it will continue to happen.
02:29And they will not stop until there is governance and such matters.
02:32So where the opposition was criticized, there was a very strong criticism of the government.
02:37Then there was a very important line.
02:39They said that no personality is bigger than the country's peace.
02:43There is no agenda, no movement, no personality.
02:46And the observers are looking at this as a reference,
02:49that maybe this is a reference to Imran Khan, although it is a generalized statement.
02:53But people are interpreting it like this.
02:55Because the PTI has boycotted Mr. Khan's case.
02:58They were saying, let us meet him, we will talk to him.
03:01And the second insistence was that you bring him on parole, and he should also participate in this meeting.
03:06This was of the parliament.
03:07If he had been out, could Mr. Khan have technically come?
03:10I don't think so.
03:11Because he is not a member of the parliament.
03:13Nevertheless, these are very big development issues.
03:15And the statement that has come after that conference,
03:18it is interesting and alarming in that it is a matter of kinetic and hard action.
03:24There is talk about it again and again.
03:26But in it, there is no dialogue or how to talk to them proactively.
03:31In that, no hint was given to anyone to ask for a legitimate partner to the dialogue.
03:36That okay, there are some people who are misguided, whatever.
03:39We should also talk to them.
03:41This is a matter of hard action in its entirety.
03:45And yesterday in my show, Defense Minister Khawaja Asif said that
03:48it is possible that in some areas, a security emergency may be initiated.
03:52There will be areas of unrest, the district could not decide that either.
03:55But if they are there, then the security emergency means that fundamental rights will definitely be suspended.
04:01Fundamental rights are already under a lot of pressure.
04:04What will be the result of that?
04:06There are a lot of things.
04:07We will talk about all of them.
04:08In our first segment, we will talk to Salman A. Karbaja and General Secretary PTI.
04:12In the second segment, we will talk to Rana Sanawallah.
04:16Salman, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:19Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
04:21Salman, tell me one thing.
04:23As media, we have always allied a lot with the opposition.
04:28Because a natural alliance is formed.
04:30In the government, the position of the watchdog is both ours and yours.
04:33But today, even if I want to, I don't know how to support your action.
04:38There was a forum where you should have spoken.
04:41And leave me alone.
04:42You leave yours too.
04:43Just listen to what the chairman said when he was asked this question.
04:48He did not own up.
04:49He did not say that the decision is right.
04:52Now it is the decision of the party.
04:54I will not comment on it.
04:55But listen to it.
04:57This is the decision of the party.
05:00I cannot make a personal decision.
05:03You should understand it better.
05:06How do you see this decision?
05:08I will not comment on it when the party decides.
05:12He could have easily said that it is the right decision.
05:15The party has made the right decision.
05:17And I fully support it.
05:18He did not own up.
05:19And we were hearing yesterday that there is a divide.
05:21Yesterday, you even made a list of 14 people.
05:24That they will come to the parliament and participate in this meeting.
05:27What happened in the last few hours?
05:30And why didn't you come?
05:32Today, the government is shouting.
05:34Look, these people did not come.
05:35They are not interested.
05:36They only see Imran Khan.
05:38They don't care about the country.
05:40How do you justify not coming to this meeting?
05:45Look, it was the right decision not to come to the meeting.
05:49I own it.
05:50I think it was the right decision morally and tactically.
05:56Look, when you put a group against a wall.
06:00You say that we will not let you meet your leader.
06:04You are not letting Imran Khan's political opponents meet him for 5 months.
06:09This is the right of Imran Khan to meet his political opponents every Friday night.
06:16You do not give them this right.
06:18After that, you say, come and sit with us in a closed room.
06:22Why are you taking this matter to a committee of 40-50 people?
06:26Why don't you do it in a joint session?
06:29Why don't you give the members of a famous province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan,
06:34the opportunity to come and talk to them?
06:37You say that 6-8 people will come from every Jamaat.
06:40And a decision will be made on them in a closed room.
06:44We know the reality of such meetings.
06:47Our members are very experienced.
06:49In a closed room, it does not mean that I am asking for your opinion.
06:54It is just an order.
06:56Why should we listen to that order?
06:58Why should we be a part of it?
07:00We should come out and say that all the Jamaats were unanimous on this matter.
07:04And then we keep saying that we were not unanimous.
07:07Let me ask you.
07:09All these things that you are doing.
07:11You could have done all these things there as well.
07:13You could have called a joint session.
07:15Why couldn't you do this?
07:17Why can't you say that we are not unanimous on this matter?
07:20I am asking this because the parliament that you are talking about,
07:24where there are 40-50 people in a closed room,
07:26there is your Leader of the Opposition,
07:28who enjoys the perks and benefits of the Federal Minister.
07:31Your people are also getting paid.
07:33Then you should leave this parliament.
07:35If the security committee of the parliament is a fraud,
07:38the parliament is a fraud, then why are you sitting in this?
07:41Frankly, I can't understand this.
07:44I will say two things.
07:46Firstly, I am not talking about fraud.
07:48Although we say that this is a parliament of form 47,
07:51and we say it with absolute integrity,
07:53I just said something different.
07:55I said that you make us sit in a closed room,
07:58and make a decision on us,
08:00and then come and say that everyone was unanimous.
08:03After that, if we keep saying a hundred times that we were not unanimous,
08:06then there is a fight.
08:08We don't want to sit in a closed room where decisions will be made.
08:11We are not saying that you should call a joint session.
08:14We are saying that you should call an all-parties conference,
08:17so that the real representatives of the people...
08:19So, if you had said this inside,
08:21and if people had not listened to you,
08:23you would have left the joint session and come out.
08:25Would that have had a greater impact?
08:27This was an unimportant session.
08:29Nothing was to happen in this session,
08:31and this has been proven.
08:33The kind of rumours that have come out,
08:35this is the same.
08:37There have been rumours for decades,
08:39that we have to go to Yaksha,
08:41that we have to do operations,
08:43that we have to fix the governance.
08:45These are the words that we have seen many times.
08:48See how the state will be fixed,
08:50how the governance will be fixed,
08:52if you attack institutions every 10-12 years.
08:55Salman, I am not arguing with your merit of the argument.
09:01There is a lot of weight in that.
09:03My question is very simple.
09:05When you talk on every platform,
09:08today if the issue of Balochistan is such a big issue,
09:11and we know that the security of Pakistan is in danger
09:16due to the situation of Balochistan and KP.
09:18Is that a small issue,
09:20that who is letting the chairman meet,
09:22who is not letting him meet?
09:24Is that a party issue?
09:26I understand your party's issues,
09:28and what is happening with you.
09:30There are no two opinions about it.
09:32My argument with you is that
09:34there was a platform,
09:36the things that you said in the press,
09:38the tweets that you are doing,
09:40what you could have done on the platform
09:42with all those people.
09:44Look, you and I know
09:46what is the balance of power in this country.
09:49When the civilians are sitting in a closed room,
09:52they have no status.
09:54They have no status.
09:56They can say whatever they want,
09:58what will be the announcement,
10:00what will be the statement,
10:02they have complete control over it.
10:04We said this because we want to put our case in front of the public.
10:07Then tell me one thing.
10:09Your critics are also criticizing.
10:11If you think that such a room,
10:13such a helpless room exists,
10:15then when Imran Khan was the Prime Minister,
10:17why did he call for a national security meeting
10:19of the parliament?
10:21And you are saying that
10:23he did not even go to that meeting himself.
10:25Today, he wants to go to that meeting,
10:27in which he knows that it is impossible
10:29to call him and bring him.
10:31This is just an excuse by the PTI.
10:33At that time, why did he not go to the meeting himself?
10:35And if he wanted to hear such general things,
10:37then did he call only the generals
10:39to suppress the parliamentarians?
10:41Then why did he get a briefing
10:43from the army leadership of the time?
10:45Why did he get it done?
10:47I did not sit in front of you
10:49to defend the past.
10:51Now all our politics is that
10:53our past is not reliable.
10:55In our past, there have always been
10:57attacks on institutions.
10:59There have been attacks on democratic institutions in this country.
11:01Now we have to move forward.
11:03Now we have to do the politics of the people.
11:05We will not be tied to the old ways.
11:07We are saying that
11:09call the real representatives of the people,
11:11whom you have kept out of office.
11:13Listen to them.
11:15The power is in this.
11:17The benefit is in this.
11:19You cannot take any benefit
11:21from a small committee of a fake parliament.
11:23Then you tell me, Salman.
11:25Please enlighten me.
11:27This is such a fake parliament.
11:29Its small committee is everything.
11:31Why are you sitting in this parliament?
11:33Why are you increasing your salary?
11:35Your people are also taking salary.
11:37People's party is also taking salary.
11:39Marat is also taking salary.
11:41But where there is a dialogue.
11:43Then you justify to me
11:45why are you sitting in this parliament.
11:47We have not given
11:49a fake answer to this parliament.
11:51We are saying
11:53that listen to our election petitions
11:55and decide.
11:57That is a very convenient
11:59argument, Salman.
12:01It is a very convenient argument.
12:03Where there is a suit,
12:05there is a parliament.
12:07Where there is no suit,
12:09there are fake people.
12:11It does not work like that.
12:13We are saying that
12:15the people have cast their vote.
12:17The people who were elected
12:19by the people's vote,
12:21you have kept them out.
12:23Their case is in front of the courts.
12:25Let them run.
12:27It is a very humble opinion.
12:29If you would have been sitting
12:31in this parliament today,
12:33then maybe the allegations
12:35would have been made
12:37to engage proactively
12:39and give a positive input.
12:41You have left the whole field empty.
12:43Because your priest
12:45was converted to the converted.
12:47So it is your fault.
12:49You have left the empty platform.
12:51Why should we blame them?
12:53No.
12:55It is nothing like that.
12:57This was not the last meeting.
12:59This was not the last room.
13:01This was not the last session.
13:03This discussion will continue.
13:05We will play our role.
13:07We know what is the solution
13:09to the issues in this area.
13:11It is not in a gunfight.
13:13It is not in a fight.
13:15We have mentioned a process
13:17that the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
13:19is forming.
13:21We want the loyal government
13:23to come forward.
13:25The government has come forward.
13:27Many issues were to be resolved.
13:29The government changed.
13:31It sent the Afghan immigrants out.
13:33It did injustice to them.
13:35It is in front of us.
13:37We think we have to be patient.
13:39We have to talk.
13:41If someone points a gun at us,
13:43we will also point a gun at them.
13:45We have to talk only in press.
13:47We do not want to talk in any formal forum.
13:49We are sitting in the parliament.
13:51This was not the last session.
13:53Why do you think it was the last session?
13:55There will be a discussion.
13:57How do you see Pakistan
13:59becoming a hard state?
14:01This is a meaningless statement.
14:03There is a book by Levin
14:05called Hard State.
14:07What is a hard state?
14:09If you talk about political science,
14:11it is a state whose institutions
14:13are strong.
14:15It is not a hard state
14:17where people
14:19beat civilians.
14:21A hard state is a state
14:23where laws and regulations are followed
14:25so that people know
14:27what their rights are.
14:29So you agree
14:31that Pakistan should become a hard state.
14:33I do not know
14:35why he used this word.
14:37I think a state
14:39where you attack
14:41and loot elections
14:43and oppress the judiciary
14:45is not a hard state.
14:47I have some time left.
14:49Give me one more answer.
14:51I asked you
14:53when salaries increased
14:55I asked you
14:57Yes.
14:59You said
15:01when salaries increased
15:03we will decide
15:05what to do.
15:07That has not been decided yet.
15:09I would prefer
15:11I would request you
15:13for a black and white answer.
15:15Do you have any justification
15:17to be a part of this parliament
15:19when you do not
15:21believe them
15:23and their platforms?
15:25The parliament is a closed committee.
15:27Do you have any moral or ethical justification
15:29to be a part of this parliament?
15:31Our ethical standing is
15:33that people have voted for us.
15:35The people who are sitting there
15:37have voted for us.
15:39They did not vote without us.
15:41We say that you are wrong.
15:43We say that you are wrong.
15:45We say to the people who are wrong
15:47that you should leave.
15:49Let our real representatives come.
15:51We say to the courts
15:53that justice should be done.
15:55Fair enough.
15:57I must concede that is a very smart answer.
15:59I still feel that you should have
16:01been in a meeting.
16:03Salman, always a pleasure to talk to you.
16:07Let's take a break.
16:09We will come back after the break
16:11Welcome back to the show.
16:13We have with us Mr. Rana Sinhawala.
16:15Peace be upon you.
16:17Peace be upon you too.
16:19Mr. Rana, you had an important
16:21session today.
16:23After that you left for Alamiya.
16:25In Alamiya,
16:27the most strange thing
16:29that I felt was that
16:31the rest was fine.
16:33The history was fine.
16:35But you left for Alamiya.
16:37You left for Alamiya.
16:39The rest was fine.
16:41There was praise for the army.
16:43There was talk of Shodha.
16:45There was talk of taking strict action
16:47against terrorism.
16:49In that, it was not even hinted
16:51that we will talk to anyone.
16:53It was expected that there is an issue.
16:55There is another viewpoint there.
16:57Many people think that the PTI boycott
16:59that took place today,
17:01perhaps because of this,
17:03a one-sided narrative went inside.
17:05You and the army were thinking
17:07that if there was a PTI,
17:09then this would have been
17:11a rich result.
17:13We did not understand their boycott.
17:15Yesterday, they gave a list of 14 people.
17:17In the end, it was withdrawn.
17:19This is such a hard line.
17:21There is no sign of any discussion.
17:23Is it because of the absence of the PTI
17:25that the same narratives were made
17:27that you had already thought of?
17:29And there was no real debate in this?
17:33No, look,
17:35according to the government,
17:37these narratives have been there
17:39from the beginning.
17:41The military leadership
17:43is also working on it
17:45without any doubt.
17:47Those people who have
17:49picked up the gun,
17:51those people who are
17:53involved in the killing
17:55of innocent people,
17:57who are so generous
17:59that they take people off the buses
18:01and kill them
18:03and shoot them,
18:05and martyred them.
18:07And those people
18:09who are traveling
18:11in the train,
18:13they kill them.
18:15And those people
18:17who are traveling in the train,
18:19they kill them.
18:21So there should not be any
18:23kind of negotiations
18:25with them.
18:27Terrorism is a big crime.
18:29Terrorism is a big crime.
18:31But there is such and such
18:33and such.
18:35The government
18:37and the military leadership
18:39are also
18:41very committed
18:43to this.
18:45It has been stated today
18:47that there should not be
18:49any kind of deal
18:51with such people.
18:53There will be no deal.
18:55There should be no negotiations
18:57with them.
18:59Terrorism is a crime.
19:01There cannot be any
19:03negotiation with them.
19:05If there was a PTI
19:07in the conversation,
19:09would there be any
19:11difference in the statement?
19:13No, look,
19:15if the opposition
19:17was there,
19:19and this is what you
19:21have said,
19:23if they had said
19:25such a thing,
19:27then there would have been
19:29a debate on it.
19:31But the position
19:33of the military leadership,
19:35the position of the government,
19:37today the leadership of all
19:39the political parties
19:41was present there.
19:43Maulana Fazlur Rehman
19:45was present there.
19:47So no one
19:49disagreed with this position
19:51or disagreed with it.
19:53Rather, the whole world
19:55is unanimous
19:57that even if
19:59there is a demand
20:01or something
20:03that is justified,
20:05it should not be
20:07terrorized.
20:09Look, Mr. Rana,
20:11we have talked about this
20:13subject before.
20:15There is no debate
20:17that you will have
20:19to deal with the terrorists.
20:21There is no debate
20:23that you will have
20:25to deal with the terrorists.
20:27There is no debate
20:29that you will have
20:31to deal with the terrorists.
20:33There is no debate
20:35that you will have
20:37to deal with the terrorists.
20:39There is no debate
20:41that you will have
20:43to deal with the terrorists.
20:45There is no debate
20:47that you will have
20:49to deal with the terrorists.
20:51There is no debate
20:53that you will have
20:55to deal with the terrorists.
20:57There is no debate
20:59that you will have
21:01to deal with the terrorists.
21:03There is no debate
21:05that you will have
21:07to deal with the terrorists.
21:09There is no debate
21:11that you will have
21:13to deal with the terrorists.
21:15There is no debate
21:17that you will have
21:19to deal with the terrorists.
21:49There is no debate
21:51that you will have
21:53to deal with the terrorists.
21:55There is no debate
21:57that you will have
21:59to deal with the terrorists.
22:01There is no debate
22:03that you will have
22:05to deal with the terrorists.
22:07There is no debate
22:09that you will have
22:11to deal with the terrorists.
22:13There is no debate
22:15that you will have
22:17to deal with the terrorists.
22:47There is no debate
22:49that you will have
22:51to deal with the terrorists.
22:53There is no debate
22:55that you will have
22:57to deal with the terrorists.
22:59There is no debate
23:01that you will have
23:03to deal with the terrorists.
23:05There is no debate
23:07that you will have
23:09to deal with the terrorists.
23:11There is no debate
23:13that you will have
23:15to deal with the terrorists.
23:45There is no debate
23:47that you will have
23:49to deal with the terrorists.
23:51There is no debate
23:53that you will have
23:55to deal with the terrorists.
23:57There is no debate
23:59that you will have
24:01to deal with the terrorists.
24:03There is no debate
24:05that you will have
24:07to deal with the terrorists.
24:09There is no debate
24:11that you will have
24:13to deal with the terrorists.
24:43There is no debate
24:45that you will have
24:47to deal with the terrorists.
24:49There is no debate
24:51that you will have
24:53to deal with the terrorists.
24:55There is no debate
24:57that you will have
24:59to deal with the terrorists.
25:01There is no debate
25:03that you will have
25:05to deal with the terrorists.
25:07There is no debate
25:09that you will have
25:11to deal with the terrorists.
25:41There is no debate
25:43that you will have
25:45to deal with the terrorists.
25:47There is no debate
25:49that you will have
25:51to deal with the terrorists.
25:53There is no debate
25:55that you will have
25:57to deal with the terrorists.
25:59There is no debate
26:01that you will have
26:03to deal with the terrorists.
26:05There is no debate
26:07that you will have
26:09to deal with the terrorists.
26:39There is no debate
26:41that you will have
26:43to deal with the terrorists.
26:45There is no debate
26:47that you will have
26:49to deal with the terrorists.
26:51There is no debate
26:53that you will have
26:55to deal with the terrorists.
26:57There is no debate
26:59that you will have
27:01to deal with the terrorists.
27:03There is no debate
27:05that you will have
27:07to deal with the terrorists.
27:09There is no debate
27:11that you will have
27:13to deal with the terrorists.
27:15There is no debate
27:17that you will have
27:19to deal with the terrorists.
27:21There is no debate
27:23that you will have
27:25to deal with the terrorists.
27:27There is no debate
27:29that you will have
27:31to deal with the terrorists.
27:33There is no debate
27:35that you will have
27:37to deal with the terrorists.
28:05There is no debate
28:07that you will have
28:09to deal with the terrorists.
28:11There is no debate
28:13that you will have
28:15to deal with the terrorists.
28:17There is no debate
28:19that you will have
28:21to deal with the terrorists.
28:23There is no debate
28:25that you will have
28:27to deal with the terrorists.
28:29There is no debate
28:31that you will have
28:33to deal with the terrorists.
28:35There is no debate
28:37that you will
28:39have to deal
28:41with the terrorists.
28:43There are plenty
28:45of people
28:47who have expressed
28:49their opinion
28:51on this issue.
28:53Every individual
28:55has made a statement
28:57to that effect.
28:59Every individual
29:01I have been in touch with the people of Balochistan and they have spoken very openly and openly.
29:08All those things are there, but the part of this declaration, which is a strategy against terrorism,
29:15those things cannot be made a part of it.
29:18You are saying that you have kept the declaration strict, you are saying that all the talks have been held,
29:26but the declaration has been kept strict so that there is no confusion in it,
29:29so that it does not give you the impression that the state is weak or is showing weakness,
29:33so there should be a clear message in it, you are saying this.
29:37Absolutely, I am saying that the commitment against terrorism,
29:47of our military leadership and political leadership,
29:52there is absolute clarity that there will be no discussion with them.
29:58If they are making a claim on their behalf that there is a lack, weakness, or deficiency there,
30:08then they do not have this right and we do not accept it.
30:19under development, and it is not like that, they are against the existence of Pakistan.
30:26They are agents of the enemies of Pakistan.
30:29Okay Mr. Rana, tell me, yesterday Defence Minister Khawaja Asif...
30:32Is there a problem with his development?
30:33Yesterday Defence Minister Khawaja...
30:34Or is he not a missing person?
30:35Yesterday Defence Minister Khawaja was in my program, and he pointed out that it is possible
30:40that in some areas a security emergency should be put in place.
30:43Security emergency means that all basic rights will be suspended, everything will be done.
30:48Has it been discussed that in some areas a security emergency can be put in place in Balochistan, in KP?
30:54No, it has not been discussed, but anyway, the prosecution there,
31:03the conviction there, this has definitely happened there,
31:09that the people who are caught, the people who are prosecuted,
31:15the prosecution there is not up to the mark.
31:21Secondly, the conviction rate is very low.
31:24So there should be an improvement on this,
31:29so that the people, through their procedure...
31:35Now you will tell me, the meeting has been held, everything has been discussed,
31:40like Bilawal used to say that the National Action Plan 2 should be updated.
31:45Now as a result of this, will there be a clear-cut plan with objectives,
31:52has there been a decision, is there a deadline that these things will happen?
31:56Because these are things, these are generalized things.
31:58Look, the notes of today's meeting have been compiled,
32:04the opinions that have been given by the political leadership or the military leadership,
32:09now particularly what you are focusing on,
32:14what Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has said, he has only talked about it,
32:19that there is an operation against terrorists on the military side,
32:31that too should be done with full clarity and commitment.
32:35And along with that, there is a soft face,
32:40that is, those people who are in the middle,
32:44they are not with the terrorists, but they do not condemn them either,
32:48which you also mentioned that how those people,
32:52they have emphasized that the state and the government should engage with them.
33:00So all these things, the speeches that took place there today are a kind of guidance,
33:06it is a kind of thing that shows the way,
33:12on which the government, the military leadership,
33:15whatever planning they have to do,
33:17and what the government has to do in the future,
33:23so all these things will be guided by them.
33:27The second last paragraph of your announcement is very interesting.
33:33I want to ask you, because it is very interesting.
33:36It is written in it that the committee has stipulated that
33:38any institution that works with allied forces,
33:42will not be allowed to damage the security and stability of Pakistan.
33:47The committee expressed its regret on the participation of some members of the opposition,
33:52and promised that the process of consultation will continue.
33:55First of all, you talk about the institutions that work with allied forces,
34:01and it is associated with the fact that the opposition has boycotted.
34:05So are you implying that the people who did not come today,
34:09they are with the terrorists?
34:11Are you implying that the PTI or others, or all the people of the opposition did not come?
34:16Because this sentence could have been different.
34:18Along with this, you have attached this sentence in the announcement.
34:21This is not an innocent way, it seems clear.
34:24No, this sentence is made along with it.
34:31The reason for this is that the incident of Jaffar Express
34:38After that incident, if this is just a coincidence, then let's go ahead and see.
34:46The statements that were made by the Indian media,
34:55and the way they were showing that God knows what will happen in Pakistan.
35:03The social media wing of the political party was also saying the same thing.
35:12Now it was not clear that the Indian media was endorsing them or they were endorsing them.
35:19Sir, let me tell you one thing.
35:21The state of affairs of the PTI, which is visible,
35:29there is a need for further consideration on this.
35:33So let me make it clear that you have put the PTI and the opposition in this account.
35:42So let me make it clear that you have put the PTI and the opposition in this account.
35:45No, we don't put them in this account, but if they themselves fall into this account,
35:50then what is the cure for that?
35:52You tell me, shouldn't they have come today?
35:55If they had come today, then either they would have resigned from the parliament,
36:02or they would have come to the parliament to get facilities, funds,
36:10or they would have reached everywhere to get their salaries, but why didn't they come today?
36:15So you are saying that the big leader, the member of the National Assembly,
36:24who did not come today, the PTI did not come, they are not concerned about the country.
36:30They are not concerned about the country at all, they are only concerned about themselves,
36:38or they are only concerned about their leader.
36:40Then Mr. Rahraja, I want to ask you a question.
36:42If Khan is there, then Pakistan is there. If Khan is not there, then Pakistan is not there.
36:45Then you may have missed my question.
36:49The PTI did not come, so if that was the case, then why did Mr. Nawaz Sharif not come?
36:54He was the Prime Minister three times, he is also the MNA.
36:57Then why didn't he come to today's meeting?
37:00Look, for example, if the PTI or Hizbe-e-Ikhtilaf had come,
37:08then it was not necessary that out of the 92 members,
37:13we would have said that 92 out of 92 should come.
37:16The ratio that was there, all the parties…
37:19So the Speaker did not call Mr. Nawaz Sharif?
37:23He did not call Mr. Nawaz Sharif?
37:25Three times Prime Minister, party leader, MNA, he did not call him?
37:29He did not invite Mr. Nawaz Sharif?
37:31Look, the matter is that the number of party leadership that was formed,
37:39that so many people, I mean, the number was decided,
37:43according to the number of people in the parliament,
37:48that 14 people will come, 20 people will come,
37:51Mr. Rana, one second, Mr. Rana, one second,
37:53in your entire party, your party's name is Nawaz League,
37:58he is your three-time Prime Minister, he is the head of your party,
38:02was there anyone more important than him,
38:05especially when this person himself is the Prime Minister,
38:07and in his time, he has done all the operations, military operations,
38:11and you people take credit that we have done it,
38:13shouldn't he have been in this meeting, which was on terrorism?
38:17Was there anyone more important than him in your party?
38:20No, listen, listen to me,
38:23the matter is that you say that Mr. Imran Khan should have been on behalf of PTA,
38:29someone else should have been on behalf of someone else,
38:31the matter is that when PMLN's government representative is present there,
38:36then there is no meaning in this.
38:41Okay, tell me personally, in your opinion,
38:45should he have been there?
38:50He should have contributed, right?
38:52No, look, there is no such thing that he should have been there.
39:00If he wanted to be there or if he was there, then it was okay,
39:04but if he is not there, then his party had a lot of representatives present,
39:09Chief Minister of Punjab was present there,
39:11the Prime Minister was present there,
39:14the President of Punjab was present there,
39:17the rest of the senior leaders of his party were present there.
39:21Okay, tell me one thing, you people are criticizing,
39:24when you know, every time you people say that PTA people look for excuses
39:28to leave the meetings, even before the negotiations were over,
39:31they said to you that let us meet the leader,
39:34after that we will also join,
39:37if you had let us meet yesterday, then which mountain would have fallen,
39:40you people are also insisting, let us meet, let us meet for proof.
39:43No, no, Mr. Malik, the matter is that when he was first told that you should participate,
39:51and according to the ratio set by the Speaker, you should give names of 14 people,
39:58he gave the names of 14 people, he said that we are coming, there is no such thing.
40:04After that, I think it was around 11.30 or 12,
40:10he said that we have three people, they should include our names,
40:15whereas the Speaker said that according to the ratio, this problem will arise,
40:20others will have objections,
40:22so he put a lot of effort to include the names of three more people,
40:26so we were not even in doubt, they went somewhere at night,
40:30I think that when they went for a walk,
40:32after that they thought that we will not go,
40:35so this was a very late decision of theirs,
40:37according to that nothing could have happened in the morning.
40:40This is the opinion of PTI that…
40:42No, Mr. Malik, you tell me this,
40:44that if they had come there,
40:46and first of all they would have made this objection,
40:50after that whatever is their point of view,
40:53whatever they wanted to do, they would have done it there,
40:56they would have kept their position there,
40:58so wasn't that better?
41:00No, I have said this to Salman and Raja repeatedly,
41:02I have said that you have wasted the opportunity,
41:04you have given an open field,
41:06whatever the government wants to do, they can do it,
41:08this is what I had a long debate on,
41:10I said that you should have come,
41:12and you should not have left this,
41:15but Mr. Raja, the real thing is that now everything has happened,
41:19now in the coming days,
41:21when today the Army Chief has also said that
41:24Pakistan should have a hard state,
41:26how long will we sacrifice innocent lives for a soft state?
41:31Now in a hard state,
41:33there are military and economic powers,
41:36these are the two powers that are considered a symbol of a hard state,
41:40and they think that a soft state is better than a hard state,
41:43so in that democracy and democracy become secondary,
41:47does Pakistan afford to become a hard state?
41:50What is the normal meaning of that?
41:54No, look, these terrorists,
41:59the kind of their activities,
42:03these soft targets,
42:07look, there is one thing,
42:09they attack military targets,
42:12now what they have done with the train,
42:15the previous 2-3 incidents,
42:17Mr. Raja, thank you very much,
42:19the time is up,
42:21I am sorry I could not complete your answer,
42:23thank you very much,
42:24let's take a break.