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- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
KPK Main Karne Kay Kaam Bahut Hain, Wahan..." Ikhtiar Wali's Statement
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- Senator Kamran Murtaza JUIF
KPK Main Karne Kay Kaam Bahut Hain, Wahan..." Ikhtiar Wali's Statement
"Kamran Murtaza Hamare Leader Hain Ham Inkay..." Faisal Chaudhry's Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Memon, Ashtav Stories, and the opposition lines are waiting
00:14for Maulana Sahib.
00:15The government is very confident that Maulana Sahib will at least not go with the opposition.
00:20So, if we say that the most important person in politics is Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman Sahib.
00:25We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:28We will also show you how many people have been accommodated in each ministry.
00:41After that, there is a new turn in the relations between the United States and Pakistan, where
00:44the United States has not only thanked, but has also issued a strict travel ban.
00:51We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
00:53First of all, let's start with the big news of the day.
00:56Finally, the government has been granted the right to issue a penalty.
01:03Today, almost a week ago, the people who raised their votes, were in a state of confusion.
01:11They did not know who was getting which penalty.
01:13Today, there is some clarity and the breakdown is like this.
01:16There are some ministries in which two people have been accommodated.
01:20For example, if we look at today's lineup, the Ministry of Petroleum has been taken over by Dr. Musaddiq.
01:26The Ministry of Climate Change has been given to him.
01:29Ali Parvez Malik Sahib will run the Ministry of Petroleum.
01:34More or less, if we say that the Prime Minister himself will run the Ministry of Petroleum,
01:38then this will not be wrong.
01:40Hanif Abbasi Sahib was the Minister of Railways.
01:42As expected, I have heard that he had already put up hoardings in his constituency.
01:47That he is going to become the Minister of Railways.
01:49This claim has been proved right.
01:51Bilal Azhar Qayani Sahib has been made the Minister of State Railways.
01:56So, these two people will run a ministry.
02:00This is also an interesting thing.
02:01Science and Technology has been given to Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui Sahib and Khalid Maqsi Sahib.
02:06Apart from this, we are seeing that there are different ministries in which there are adjustments.
02:13The most interesting thing is the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
02:16The internal affairs of this country are so complicated that to run it,
02:20not one, not two, but three people are needed.
02:23First of all, Mohsin Aqvi Sahib is the Minister of Internal Affairs.
02:27But now Talal Chaudhary Sahib has also been made the Minister of State Internal Affairs.
02:30Probably, the questions and answers in the parliament will be seen by Talal Chaudhary Sahib.
02:35Apart from this, we have seen that Parvez Khattak Sahib has also been made the Special Advisor for Internal Affairs.
02:41So, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, three people will run this ministry.
02:46So, it is very difficult for the government to take everyone with it.
02:49But anyway, they are trying.
02:51In the first part of the program, we have with us Iqtiyar Wali Khan,
02:54the coordinator of the Prime Minister, Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa,
02:58Faisal Chaudhary Sahib, lawyer of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
03:01Senator Kamal Murtaza Sahib, Chairman of the Jamaat Ulma-e-Islam.
03:05The coalition with the Jamaat Ulma-e-Islam is also intended by everyone.
03:12The government also wants Maulana to come to the opposition.
03:15The opposition, in which Tariq-e-Insaf is included, wants Maulana Sahib to be included.
03:20So, it is a mess. Let us unpack it a little.
03:23But first, let us start with the questions received from the ministry.
03:26Thank you very much, Iqtiyar Sahib, for joining us.
03:28You are coming to my program for the first time.
03:30Finally, you have been given the title of coordinator of Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa.
03:35The Prime Minister has met you.
03:37We have seen some of your complaints in the last 10 days.
03:41Have there been any improvements?
03:44Thank you very much, Maria.
03:46Look, I am a worker.
03:49And a worker's job is to listen to the leader of his reservation.
03:55I have delivered my reservation.
03:58The group captain, who is leading, is the Prime Minister himself.
04:03It is his prerogative as to who he takes, who he places in which position,
04:07and who he does not place.
04:09It is entirely up to him.
04:11You were talking about the constituency in Mr. Shehzad Iqbal's show.
04:16In every constituency, people are given an answer.
04:21After this resolution, when you feel that a balancing act has been done,
04:24is it easier for you in every constituency?
04:27No, I don't think so.
04:29Look, they have given me a responsibility in terms of information.
04:37And secondly, they have asked me to look after the KP affairs.
04:41I have been given that responsibility.
04:43The affairs of Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa.
04:45So, I will bring all my abilities into play.
04:48I will do my job.
04:50And the rest of the people in the constituency, I think they are satisfied.
04:54They are satisfied.
04:55That we will do something or the other.
04:57And we will do a lot.
04:59There is a lot of work to be done in Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa.
05:03It has been more than a decade that no work is being done there.
05:10The clock in Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa is ticking backwards.
05:13The sun in Khaibar Pakhtunkhwa rises from somewhere else.
05:16But that was Parvez Khattak, the CM there.
05:18After him was Mehmood Khan, and then Ali Ibn Nagpur.
05:21He is in your cabinet.
05:22I am not able to understand this.
05:24To understand this, one has to master the algebra first.
05:28Did the CM explain anything to you?
05:30How did this happen?
05:31No, I have explained to him as well.
05:33And I will not comment on that much today.
05:37My political rivalry with Parvez Khattak is very old.
05:43And whenever an election comes, we are in the same position.
05:49We are opposed to each other.
05:51But now that he has been given the charge,
05:54what Mohsin Naqvi was doing should be done a little more than that.
06:00So bring Parvez Khattak.
06:02I think, it's my personal assessment,
06:05that he understands PTI a little more because they have lived together.
06:12So there are a lot of things.
06:14And secondly, in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, there are a lot of internal issues.
06:19You must have seen that the wave of terrorism has started once again.
06:24And there are a lot of other issues that need to be looked at.
06:27So the CM has chosen Parvez Khattak.
06:30So the corruption charges, BRT, Malham Jabba,
06:35did the CM say anything about this?
06:38I told him that my position is in my place.
06:41I have conveyed my position to the CM.
06:44And I have given my position.
06:47After that, whatever happens,
06:49the CM should know and do his job.
06:52I repeat, it's totally the prerogative of the Prime Minister
06:57that what charge he assigns to whom, what duty he assigns to whom.
07:01Let's see how much Parvez Khattak can perform,
07:04how much improvement he can bring in these matters.
07:07The internal issues that need to be addressed,
07:13we will find out in the next two months.
07:16And you have to convince the PTA as well, Faisal Chaudhary.
07:18To convince them, you have to bring in Parvez Khattak.
07:21Actually, you are interfering.
07:23They understand his words better than you.
07:25Maybe the government has found another way to convince you.
07:29He is an old friend.
07:31Look, Parvez Khattak is always a strange choice.
07:35And it's not the CM's choice.
07:38Rana Sarnawala has made it clear.
07:41In fact, Dr. Afnan Ullah and I were in a show,
07:46and he said that apart from Parvez Khattak,
07:49there are a lot of people who are from another party.
07:52I think they are from the strongest party.
07:54But if we look at Parvez Khattak and Akhtar Wali Khan's recent election,
08:00there was not a big difference.
08:02Akhtar Wali Khan has 21,000 votes and Parvez Khattak has 26,500 votes.
08:07So, giving preference to them politically is not a wise thing.
08:13Look, it's a good thing that political workers get respect.
08:16We should appreciate that.
08:18Akhtar Wali Khan has his own opinion.
08:22But he deserves respect in his own party.
08:25This is according to the theory.
08:27No, not according to the theory, but according to Faisal Chaudhary.
08:29Faisal Chaudhary, you have a very interesting point of view.
08:34It's between the lawyer of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaaf and Mr. Khan.
08:37Faisal Chaudhary can talk about it later.
08:39But let me tell you, when Sher Afzal Marwat was in PTI,
08:42I spoke for him.
08:44And when the election was over,
08:47I said that all the PTI leaders were in the polls.
08:51No one was coming out.
08:52But when Sher Afzal Marwat came out, I praised him.
08:55The issue is that it's a principle thing.
08:58A political party will represent a political party.
09:02The second thing is that Mr. Parvez Khattak himself
09:05couldn't win a single seat in recent elections.
09:08Mehmood Khan won more than him.
09:10He has won one or two seats.
09:12Putting PTI in a KPI is not a joke.
09:18It's difficult.
09:19Of course, you can disagree with Ali Amin Khan,
09:23but he is a great young man.
09:27He is energetic.
09:29And he is a political worker.
09:32He knows how to handle his people.
09:37He convinced Junaid Akhmar Khan.
09:39I spoke to Junaid.
09:42I told him that PTI is being catered to there.
09:47Right.
09:48It's difficult to put a dent in the area where PTI is being catered to.
09:53For the past two and a half years,
09:55PTI workers, parliamentarians, families, female workers,
10:04PTI has proven to be a hard cookie.
10:08It's intact.
10:09It's intact.
10:10Even today, if there is an impartial election,
10:12It's a political reality.
10:14If there is an impartial election,
10:16everyone will vote for Imran Khan.
10:19The one who has the blessings of Imran Khan,
10:23will win the election.
10:26Now, this gimmickry,
10:29whenever Bhutto was hanged in politics,
10:34everyone knows that it was personal.
10:37Bhutto is still alive politically.
10:41Somewhere.
10:43He has votes in Sindh, Punjab, KP and Balochistan.
10:48But I don't agree with Mr. Zardari's politics.
10:53I think both the parties have become the B-teams of the leading establishment.
10:57They are governing their politics.
11:00Both the parties have lost their politics.
11:02Right.
11:03And especially PM Nawaz in Punjab.
11:05They are governing, but they have lost their politics.
11:08Now, what is PTI's politics?
11:11That is a different case.
11:13I want to come to this.
11:15The politics of the government is in front of us.
11:17There is a lack of politics.
11:19Where is the politics being used?
11:21Frankly, there is no politics in this country.
11:23But there is opposition, so we have to make political moves.
11:25With Maulana Fazlur Rahman,
11:27Tariq-e-Insaaf repeatedly expresses the desire
11:30that we want to walk in unity.
11:32Quickly, you have heard Tariq-e-Insaaf's statements.
11:34Then we will go to Mr. Kamran Murtaza.
11:36Sir, do you really not consider Tariq-e-Insaaf's committee to be in power?
11:39What is Tariq-e-Insaaf's desire?
11:41And what is his tone and tenure?
11:43This is also important to hear.
11:45We respect Maulana Fazlur Rahman.
11:48We want him to be a part of this alliance.
11:50Mr. Khan has given instructions on what to discuss with him.
11:53God willing, we will proceed in a positive manner.
11:55As far as Maulana Fazlur Rahman is concerned,
11:58we want him to join us in unity.
12:01We are in talks with him.
12:04But at the same time, Tariq-e-Insaaf also says that
12:07this is a desire, but there is no need for it.
12:10After the election, can Maulana Fazlur Rahman come to Islamabad with you?
12:14My desire is that he should stay with us
12:17and take all the opposition parties with him.
12:20But this is not necessary.
12:22We have already protested against this.
12:24God willing, we will proceed in a positive manner.
12:26At this time, the fight for democracy, fundamental rights,
12:29which I call decency, is being fought in Pakistan.
12:31No one will do anyone a favor.
12:33It is everyone's duty to stand up for the constitution,
12:36for fundamental rights, whether it is the JUI or someone else.
12:39We have invited him, we have raised our hands,
12:41we have said, come with us, but no one will do us a favor.
12:46How much power does the political committee of Tariq-e-Insaaf have?
12:49Maulana Gafoor Ahdi thinks that they have no power.
12:53When PTI becomes serious,
12:55when those who are outside the leadership
12:58will not be made powerful,
13:01if there is no unity in PTI,
13:04then how can there be opposition?
13:06We are seeing that PTI is also a victim of disunity.
13:09So PTI should first be divided.
13:13We have Kamran Murtaza with us.
13:15Let's ask him.
13:16Mr. Kamran, I have also made you listen to the statement of Tariq-e-Insaaf.
13:19It is definitely their wish that you join them in this unity.
13:23The government thinks that you have so many distances
13:27that you can talk about some issues together,
13:30but you cannot join in a unity.
13:33They think that you have a more natural unity.
13:36With whom do you think you have a natural unity?
13:39With the opposition parties?
13:41Or would you like to take a separate position?
13:45Look, we have been in a separate position for a year.
13:48And in this one year, practically,
13:52either by PTI or by other opposition parties,
13:57except for a few months,
13:59in which Maulana himself engaged PTI,
14:02there has never been an attempt
14:04to take other parties, including JUI, along.
14:09In the parliament, there has never been an attempt
14:13by a large opposition party, PTI,
14:15or even a desire,
14:18except for a few months,
14:20to take JUI or other parties along.
14:25So this is something that is obviously noted.
14:28This is something that is said very negatively.
14:31It is said in the heart as well.
14:33They have never even asked this question.
14:36So now this attempt is being made.
14:39On the level of the committees,
14:41the matters had advanced a little,
14:43but they have stopped.
14:45Maulana, as soon as the moment comes,
14:47on 8th April, Inshallah,
14:49in the middle of the night,
14:51then we will see how much the matter progresses.
14:56No one needs anyone.
14:58No one can become anyone's desire.
15:01But some things have to be managed for it.
15:05People have to be engaged for it.
15:08People have to be taken along.
15:10And it has to be done in the right way.
15:13When you talk about the right way,
15:15then what do you mean by the right way?
15:20If we go together,
15:23then it is not a matter of a day or two.
15:26It is possible that it will take a long time in this struggle.
15:31And whatever time it will take,
15:33we will have to plan for it.
15:35We will need a plan for it.
15:37We will have to correct the old transition.
15:40There are a lot of things at the level of the workers
15:43that have to be corrected and then move forward.
15:46Otherwise, if after a few steps,
15:48God forbid, a place comes
15:50where we stand in front of each other again
15:53and say that we separate paths,
15:55then it will not look good.
15:57It will be insulting.
15:59So instead of being saved from insults,
16:01the best way for that can be
16:03that either we correct our troubles in the right way
16:06or move forward in our own way,
16:08the way we think is appropriate.
16:11Are there opportunities to get rid of troubles?
16:13Are there a lot of opportunities to get rid of troubles in your opinion?
16:17Now the answer has to come from them.
16:20We have brought the issue to the working relationship.
16:24And the credit for coming to the working relationship,
16:27you give it to us, give it to Mr. Maulana.
16:30We have moved forward with the PGI to the working relationship.
16:34Whatever was the past, they did injustice,
16:36we did injustice, they did good, we did good,
16:38or someone did bad,
16:40but we have moved forward, we have moved on.
16:43Now moving forward further,
16:45which is a matter of putting arms around each other's shoulders,
16:49we will have to create an environment for that.
16:52First, we will have to decide that we will be able to move forward,
16:55especially in our own way,
16:57so that there is no such place where we separate
16:59and as a result, we have to face injustice.
17:02Right.
17:03By the way, you have been surprised
17:05that you have been able to build a working relationship.
17:07You are collaborating on a lot of things,
17:09you are walking together, you are talking.
17:11So, you understand the politics of KP.
17:14The matter has come to the working relationship.
17:16Look, I will give my comment on this.
17:20I have given it earlier.
17:21Mr. Kamran knows.
17:25The mandate of Jamia Ulama Islam,
17:28which is their mandate,
17:30it is not in our house, it is not in your house,
17:32it is in Faisal Chaudhary's house.
17:35No, he is saying it is in PTI's house.
17:37Faisal Chaudhary is not PTI.
17:39I said it right.
17:40It is in PTI's house.
17:41Imran Khan is in America.
17:44He is with PTI.
17:47And secondly,
17:49I think there is a big difference.
17:53If JUI, you talked to Mr. Kamran
17:56that you will go alone or you will join someone.
18:00They will stay alone and if they have to join somewhere,
18:03then I think there is very little distance between us and them.
18:06In fact, there is not.
18:07They can end at any time.
18:09This government will end with them.
18:12Four years will pass.
18:14I don't believe that there is a chance with them.
18:17Mr. Maulana, where he has doubts,
18:21then the last ten Surahs,
18:25he has to recite them.
18:27He has to recite 6th Surah as well.
18:29He has to recite Surah Fatiha as well.
18:31I think Imran Khan has failed in that.
18:34They are hoping against the hope.
18:36They have only one strategy,
18:38that they don't want to be with you.
18:40Whether they become with you or not,
18:42they don't want to be with JUI.
18:44I will say one thing and then you can go to them.
18:46Whenever, if Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
18:48Kamran Murtaza Bhai said a very good thing that day,
18:52that they should demand an election audit
18:54and start it with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
18:56They will never agree.
18:58PTI will never agree.
19:00They talk about Forum 47, 46, 48, 49 and 47.
19:04They have big question marks on their mandate.
19:07Let me answer this.
19:09Their strategy is that they don't want to be with you.
19:11They don't know how to form an alliance.
19:13They don't know how to run or do politics.
19:15That's why the government is chill.
19:17Look, in the current situation,
19:19there is no political pressure on the government
19:21and the establishment.
19:23This political pressure came into view
19:25when a joint announcement came
19:27after Asad Qaisar's dinner.
19:29Then H. H. Zahid gave food.
19:31There was a joint announcement.
19:34Then they tried to stop the conference
19:36from the government.
19:40This shows that the government
19:42is afraid of the opposition alliance.
19:44Now, PTI and JUI are two effective parties.
19:48There is no other opinion in this.
19:52I have met Imran Khan on behalf of JUI.
19:57I have received messages from him.
19:59This conversation started with TACET approval.
20:03When you form an alliance with a rival political party,
20:09political ethics and ethics are very important.
20:14Iqtiyar Khan talked about this in the paper.
20:16The paper also had the number of Khuskhati.
20:19So, these Khuskhatis are important.
20:23Kamran Murtaza and I are in the same boat.
20:28Kamran Murtaza and I are in the same boat.
20:33He is our leader.
20:35We are his followers.
20:37If you went to Chief Justice
20:39with a delegation of the opposition,
20:42then you are ready to form an alliance with the opposition.
20:48Then these ethics would require
20:50Kamran Murtaza to be trusted.
20:52Why wasn't he trusted?
20:53I asked him.
20:55He did not have an answer
20:57because he could not convince me.
20:58I asked Gauhar Khan.
21:00You should have made a courtesy call.
21:03Whether he goes or not is up to him.
21:05Then there are some reservations
21:09about the leadership of JUI.
21:12We also have some reservations.
21:14Ali Amin Khan and Maulana
21:17are from the same area.
21:19They are from the political range.
21:21Maulana's reservations should be addressed.
21:25Ali Amin Khan's reservations should also be addressed.
21:30We have to get them out of the middle way.
21:32We have to get them out of the middle way.
21:35I want to come to the middle way.
21:37Let's take a break and then come back.
21:39Kamran sir, when you went to Chief Justice
21:41with a delegation of the opposition,
21:43the people of JUIF were not present.
21:45In this context, can trust be restored?
21:48We will talk about this after the break.
21:53Welcome back.
21:54Before the break, Faisal Chaudhary was saying
21:56that when the delegation of the opposition
21:58went to meet the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
22:00Maulana's Jamaat should have been in touch.
22:03It was not done.
22:04Kamran Murtaza,
22:05in today's conversation with Salman Akram Raja,
22:08he also said that
22:10it is a good thing if Maulana comes.
22:13PTI also said this.
22:14Junaid Akbar also said this.
22:15But even if he does not come,
22:16the movement of the opposition will continue.
22:18Do you think Maulana needs the opposition?
22:21If you have to put your life in a movement,
22:23will that movement not be able to run without you?
22:26Look, we can have misunderstandings about ourselves.
22:30Leave our misunderstandings.
22:33If the rest of the opposition thinks
22:35that they can run the movement without us,
22:38then surely they have the right to do so.
22:40We do not mind this at all.
22:43We have no objection to this.
22:46What Salman Akram said yesterday,
22:49he has the right to do so.
22:52He wants to run the movement alone.
22:54He wants to run it with a lot of enthusiasm.
22:56We have no objection to it.
22:57We have never said that
22:58we want to run the movement with someone for no reason.
23:02If there are any issues,
23:04then we can run the movement on our own.
23:07We do not have any such problem.
23:11As far as the past is concerned,
23:15leave aside the meeting with the Chief Justice.
23:18As far as any committee has been formed,
23:20any decision has been made.
23:22We have never sat together to decide on anything.
23:25We have never said on behalf of the PTI
23:28that yes, let's come together and decide on this.
23:31Although it was decided that
23:33we will take the issue to issue matter.
23:38Earlier, it was a matter of the Judiciary Commission.
23:42There were members in the committees.
23:45At that time, only the PTI was nominated.
23:52So, it was their right.
23:55Since they did not have the slot of the opposition leader,
23:58they thought that the rest of the opposition did not matter.
24:01They have very few seats.
24:02There is no need to ask them.
24:04So, we also said that if there is no need, then there is no need.
24:07Even now, Salman Akram is saying
24:09that the rest of the opposition does not matter.
24:12It is their right.
24:14We have no objection to that right.
24:16We keep that right in our hands.
24:18Apart from the formation of a Grand Opposition,
24:21do you have any other strategy to bring Mr. Khan out?
24:24Because you are alone.
24:26We have seen how you are able to walk.
24:29How is Mr. Moulana able to walk
24:30if the Grand Opposition is not formed?
24:32What is the method?
24:33There can be three scenarios for Mr. Imran Khan to come out.
24:38First, public uprising.
24:40Second, international pressure.
24:41Third, local politics.
24:43After the public uprising, on 26th November,
24:45the public turned out to be effective.
24:47It did not materialize.
24:48Bishra Bibi made an effort.
24:50There can be a hundred reasons for that.
24:53International pressure, in my opinion,
24:57I am giving you my political opinion.
24:59What will happen in international pressure is
25:01that either you go out,
25:03Mr. Khan has not brought you out,
25:04then where will you go?
25:06Because his biggest beneficiary was Mr. Mian Muhammad Wajid.
25:09Mr. Mian dealt twice.
25:11He went out, then he came back.
25:13He says, leave another day for fight.
25:15So, for him, it is like that.
25:18Now, in local pressure,
25:20this approach that someone should come with us or not,
25:23this will not work.
25:25See, the opposition will be JGUI and PTI primarily.
25:30These two groups will be there.
25:31So, it will be effective.
25:33If none of these two groups are there,
25:34then it will not be effective.
25:35Solo flights.
25:36We have seen the methods.
25:39We were among them before.
25:41We are still there.
25:42We will be there in the future.
25:43We have been giving this advice.
25:44Don't take solo flights.
25:46Solo flights will be a loss.
25:47It was a loss.
25:48See, we have also conducted marriages.
25:50Our people have also gone missing.
25:53They have also been injured.
25:54And if you had to make this one,
25:55then you should have made it a year earlier.
25:56No, they would have made it a year earlier.
25:58After that, the second thing is that
26:00politics is all about need.
26:02If I tell you honestly,
26:06to get Imran Khan out of Pakistan,
26:09which is the core of PTI's politics,
26:13to get Imran Khan out of Pakistan,
26:16you will have to make a political alliance with the opposition.
26:21Its time was a year earlier.
26:23If you come after a year,
26:24then its time will be more with them.
26:26Because see,
26:27there is no pressure on the establishment and the government right now.
26:30Why would they sit with you?
26:31Yes, they should sit relaxed.
26:32They should try not to get involved with you.
26:34See, they are already involved.
26:35They have also done court-packing, subordinate legislation after the 26th.
26:41Okay?
26:42Now, they are the executives.
26:44They have already kept the parliament sub-surveillant.
26:46Now, these three departments are under their control.
26:48Now, you will have to find a political way out.
26:50If you go to a closed street,
26:52then you will not be able to get out.
26:54But Mr. Tiaz, this is almost an admission
26:56that almost all of this is in a closed street.
26:59And if they do not form a political alliance,
27:02which is your wish and more or less guess,
27:04that it will not happen,
27:05then they will think that we are going to a closed street.
27:08Are you not feeling any pressure?
27:10No, not at all.
27:12Then why did you have to make this mess?
27:13Why did you have to expand?
27:14I have finished my tea.
27:15That cup of Faisal is still frozen.
27:17I am so chilled.
27:18Goomat is so chilled.
27:19Then why are you making such a big minister?
27:21Why are you accommodating so many people?
27:22There is some panic.
27:24You have seen,
27:25ministers are different.
27:27They were given additional charges.
27:30Additional portfolios were given to the ministers.
27:32The cabinet of the Prime Minister is so big,
27:34if you divide the power,
27:36then they can deliver it so well.
27:38In his time, there was a cabinet of 86 people.
27:42We have not made that much yet.
27:44That means there is room.
27:45Faisal Bhai said three things,
27:48three options,
27:49that there are three ways for Imran Khan to leave.
27:51Public uprising, international pressure,
27:53plus local pressure.
27:55At this time,
27:56there is no chance for anyone.
27:58One of Richard Grenell's tweets,
28:01he used to make a lot of noise.
28:03He used to make a lot of noise.
28:05Those tweets have also been deleted.
28:07There is no talk from there now.
28:09There is no contact of any meeting.
28:12Those contacts are also over.
28:14Public uprising, tell me this,
28:16Maria, tell me this,
28:19that 26th November,
28:21that was the final call.
28:22What happens after the final call?
28:24What happens if the power is used in the future?
28:27Tell me this.
28:29Tell me this.
28:30Tell me this.
28:31That is a separate debate.
28:33I had told you two days ago,
28:36that in your meeting,
28:38Afghans are also coming from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
28:41Your own people also have self-made weapons.
28:44There were also pistols.
28:45They were also recovered.
28:46And that is...
28:48So three points,
28:49there is no uprising,
28:50there is no external pressure,
28:51there is no political pressure.
28:5226th November was the final call.
28:54And after that,
28:55there can be no call.
28:56After 26th November,
28:57they are sitting more chilled than the government.
29:00And they don't have anything to play.
29:03Then what is the panic?
29:04If Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi comes to the conference,
29:06he doesn't get a hotel.
29:08Now at this time,
29:09you have to adjust a lot of people in the cabinet.
29:12You have to make political adjustments.
29:14Getting a hotel or not,
29:15that is a different thing.
29:16The government is a little confused.
29:17Why is it confused?
29:18There is no confusion.
29:19Why did you go to Mr. Muran's house?
29:21It was not a courtesy call.
29:23Let me tell you.
29:24Whenever they have been politically dealt with,
29:28the consequences have been terrible.
29:30You see,
29:31whenever there is a protest in the past,
29:3310-15 people eat this for breakfast.
29:36If you deal with them politically,
29:38they reach where you have no doubt.
29:41They entered PTV.
29:42And what were they announcing?
29:44That we have taken over.
29:45They entered the parliament.
29:47They climbed the walls of the Supreme Court.
29:49They are people.
29:50They are not political people.
29:52So what is the way to deal with them?
29:54After being elected,
29:55they entered the parliament.
29:56First of all,
29:57they should learn how to behave like a political party,
29:59and political leader,
30:00and political force.
30:01They have not learned this yet.
30:03They have taken over.
30:04Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has been here for 12 years.
30:07They have been in power for four and a half years.
30:10But they have not yet become a political worker and party.
30:14What Kamran Murtaza Bhai said,
30:16I absolutely endorse.
30:18PTI.
30:19Until then,
30:20the opposition will continue to deal with the Jamaats
30:22like a good child.
30:24As long as they are needed.
30:26The day they are no longer needed,
30:28they will leave like this.
30:30Mr. Mulana, Mr. Achak Zahid,
30:31they were with you in 2022.
30:33They are not seen anywhere today.
30:34They will beat their allies first.
30:36Is this politics?
30:37No.
30:39Believe me,
30:40what I have learned from you in these four and a half years,
30:43I have not learned this.
30:44You have not learned anything.
30:47With respect.
30:48You have not learned anything.
30:53First of all,
30:54Maryam,
30:55I have a suggestion for them.
30:57You are after JUI, ANP, MQM, PPP, etc.
31:02You are after Mr. Zahid.
31:03First of all, fix your house.
31:05How many groups are there in your party?
31:07Ali Ameen Group,
31:08Atif Khan Group,
31:10Aleema Bibi Group,
31:11Bushra Bibi Group.
31:12You have 3600 parties.
31:15I want to conclude this segment.
31:16Thank you both.
31:17We will go back to the break.
31:18On one hand,
31:19America thanked Pakistan.
31:21But on the other hand,
31:22India has also banned travel.
31:25We will talk about the new twist in Pakistan-US relations.
31:28Stay with us after the break.
31:32Welcome back.
31:33Relations between Pakistan and the United States
31:35are going through an interesting phase this week.
31:38A few days ago,
31:39we saw that the President of the United States
31:41himself thanked Pakistan
31:43for setting a high-profile target
31:45and facilitating the US in the war against terrorism.
31:48On the other hand,
31:49the news is that
31:50the travel ban is also being discussed.
31:53Afghanistan is absolutely sure
31:56that the travel ban will be imposed on Afghan citizens.
31:59But Pakistanis can also be involved in this.
32:02Who will be the Pakistanis?
32:04Will the students be affected by this?
32:06Because the Pakistani students studying in the US
32:09have been told
32:10that if they are in the US,
32:12they should not return to their country.
32:14They do not know
32:15what the Trump administration will announce
32:17and whether they will be able to return to the US or not.
32:20We will talk about the new twist in Pakistan-US relations
32:22in this program.
32:23We have with us Mr. Kamran Yusuf,
32:24an expert in international affairs.
32:26Thank you very much, Kamran.
32:27We thank Pakistan
32:29because there are very few countries in the world
32:32who have thanked Pakistan.
32:34The Europeans were taken by force.
32:36We are in the same phase.
32:39The travel ban is also being discussed.
32:41How much will Pakistan be affected by this?
32:43How much will the students be affected?
32:45Is there room for diplomacy or not?
32:47What is the situation right now?
32:51This news came from the Reuters yesterday.
32:55They have given this news through a means.
32:57Because on 20 January,
32:58US President Trump issued several executive orders.
33:01One of the executive orders was
33:03to see which countries
33:06where people are usually profiled.
33:10The method is not right.
33:12So, the list of those countries should be given.
33:15And as much as possible,
33:21it can be included in that list.
33:24Now, I also tried to find out
33:26some of the means in Washington.
33:29They think that there is no clarity in this.
33:32What exactly is going to happen?
33:34Blanket ban means that
33:36no Pakistani citizen
33:38will be able to enter the US.
33:40Or after 9-11 attacks,
33:42we saw that
33:44there is enhanced screening.
33:46That is, the screening of the citizens
33:48of some specific countries
33:50will be increased.
33:52There will be no blanket ban.
33:54It is expected that on 12 March,
33:56President Trump will announce something about it.
33:58But given the fact that
34:00you thanked Pakistan,
34:02it is an opening.
34:04And Trump has a positive image
34:06about Pakistan.
34:08So, we will see
34:10what he decides
34:12when this issue is raised.
34:14And don't forget that
34:16some people are trying to give an impression
34:18that even if it happens,
34:20it will be Pakistan-specific.
34:22It is possible that it is not Pakistan-specific.
34:24But overall, you know that
34:26when he was elected for the first time,
34:28he imposed travel restrictions
34:30and they are trying to
34:32revive it.
34:34So, if it happens,
34:36it does not necessarily mean
34:38that it is only Pakistan-specific.
34:40Rather, their agenda is
34:42illegal immigration
34:44or stopping people from
34:46coming to the US.
34:48So, it will be more in that context.
34:50Has an international effort
34:52started in Pakistan?
34:54Has it started?
34:56Because President Trump is a unique person.
34:58He takes care of people.
35:00What is the progress on that front?
35:04Look, there are two or three
35:06big issues on the legal front of Trump.
35:08One thing is very clear that
35:10the whole world, you know,
35:12does not support him.
35:14They are all afraid that
35:16whatever Trump decides,
35:18it is better to get out of it.
35:20One decision is about illegal immigrants.
35:22And this is a reasonable decision.
35:24Pakistan has also clearly told
35:26that whatever illegal immigrants
35:28are present in the US,
35:30and they are verified,
35:32we are ready to give them back.
35:34Fair enough.
35:36We do not want to argue on this.
35:38Then, the connections
35:40that you are talking about,
35:42the matter that happened,
35:44the most wanted terrorist
35:46was arrested in the US.
35:48Pakistan has handed him over.
35:50As a result of that,
35:52after a long period of three years,
35:54the US has telephoned Pakistan's
35:56Foreign Ministry and
35:58discussed other issues.
36:00I assume that this particular matter,
36:02if Pakistan thinks that
36:04all restrictions can be imposed on it,
36:06then this issue will be discussed
36:08somewhere.
36:10Now, how much success does he get in that?
36:12As you said, Trump does not listen to anyone.
36:14He follows his own frame.
36:16Let me add one thing here.
36:18I was trying to talk to some people yesterday.
36:20Washington talked about this news
36:22and they were a little confused.
36:24It seems that
36:26in Washington,
36:28the Indian lobby is very strong.
36:30Being in that lobby,
36:32it was not easy
36:34to praise Pakistan.
36:36Some people suspect that
36:38due to Afghanistan,
36:40they are trying to neutralize
36:42the praises of Pakistan.
36:44They are trying to undermine it.
36:46Thank you very much, Kamran Yusuf.
36:48We were talking about different aspects of this issue.
36:50This is Trump's America.
36:52His effect will be on
36:54all the countries of the world.
36:56The more clarity Trump administration
36:58has, the sooner
37:00there will be a stabilizing effect in the world.
37:02It seems that in the next few weeks,
37:04there will be a similar turbulent
37:06for the world.
37:08The program has come to an end.
37:10Don't forget to give your feedback.
37:12Take care. Goodbye.