Video Information: 07.12.2020, Interview Session, Rishikesh, Uttrakhand
Context:
~ How to set priorities?
~ How to be free?
~ What is freedom?
~ How to bring woman's revolution?
~ How to bring about a Total Women's revolution?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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Context:
~ How to set priorities?
~ How to be free?
~ What is freedom?
~ How to bring woman's revolution?
~ How to bring about a Total Women's revolution?
Music Credits: Milind Date
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LearningTranscript
00:00So, talking about women since we are talking about their you know area of pain in this
00:11case mostly you know coming to workforce when it comes to women I have seen that again taking
00:20a very close example I do have few women leaders in my family and of course, your friend circles
00:26you do have them I have seen women constantly negating their own situation sense of leadership
00:35in the sense that you know I mean like I was just telling him as well that you know in
00:42lean and the book that was written by Cheryl Sandberg the CEO of Facebook.
00:47So, she had given this very beautiful example of you know when a man is to be promoted versus
00:54a woman in the workforce the man would be looked at for his potential while the woman
00:59would be looked at for her past experience how you know does she basically fair and what
01:07happens is women would as far as raising the hands in the class you would see more of men
01:13they are intelligent great that is that is a great company to have, but sometimes they
01:17are not even that amazing, but they always have this air of you know you will see in
01:22classes while women even if they might know the right answer they would refrain from raising
01:27their hands they would be absolutely plagued with self-doubt.
01:32So, I have seen this across I know again we are you know if we talk about the macro sense
01:39it is really you transcend gender right there is no man-woman nothing like that, but the
01:45whole point is that if you are talking like you know if we are talking the level of when
01:52I see everyday women around me.
01:54So, I see across whether they are young women middle aged women whether they are elderly
01:58women they would keep denying their own sense of ownership at the same time you know they
02:05have this fear of being called tagged as you know bossy if they are able to maybe express
02:11themselves forthrightly or in a very you know I mean outright fashion.
02:15So, again I do understand the source you would come back to is I thought I just.
02:22There are two aspects to it you must address both of them one aspect is she is not allowed
02:35to the other aspect is she thinks she does not need to raise her hand and both these
02:49are within her mind and both these have entered her mind from somewhere not allowed to is
02:58obvious the second one is subtle and we probably may begin with this and find deeper inside
03:08the way we train our girls and even before we train our girls the way prakriti physical
03:25nature mother nature not spiritual nature physical nature the way our bodies are constituted
03:33configured the way our hormones are there are so many species in which the female is
03:46not the provider even in human beings if you see it's a bare fact we must accept it.
03:57It may or may not confirm to the popular ideologies currently in vogue but facts are facts.
04:12So, the way the female is configured biologically she is supposed to be alright with spending
04:34a lot of time in the nest supposed to supposed to be biologically not by way of consciousness
04:44but by way of the body this indicates a movement out of the nest do you see this the girl is
04:56comfortably sitting in the classroom and the body is the nest what does this indicate I
05:02want to break out of the nest I want to break out of the nest the teacher ask something I'm
05:05saying I know I know or I want to ask I want to inquiry I want to inquire now both knowledge
05:13and inquiry are not things of the body they are things of the consciousness body wants neither
05:22knowledge and the body does not want to inquire even if the body seeks knowledge all it wants
05:30knowledge of is things that are related to physical sustenance right the body for example
05:38will have very little interest in stuff like history or science yes if somebody says I have
05:48two slices of pizza who wants it then the body will raise its hand but if somebody is dealing
05:55with something else the body is not interested now the girl is born and that's the way her body
06:04is already configured and then how do we raise her and what do we teach her are we teaching her the
06:10way of consciousness or are we teaching her the way of the body and you are teaching her the way
06:18of the body now how is it surprising that she does not want to participate much in the process
06:25of knowledge or inquiry I have this little one at home and happened to visit the shopping mall
06:39with him and clothes were being bought so I noticed that even at that age girls apparels little clothes
06:52very this size they were probably twice or thrice as expensive oh yes as that of little boys yeah
07:02that totally what is the philosophy behind that the philosophy behind that is that you are a girl
07:09oh and you must spend more of your resources towards your body money is a resource yes so
07:18the boy can save the money for the books the boy can save the money for the books but you you listen
07:28you girl if you have got 2,000 bucks all of that 2,000 must go towards the dress now the boy can
07:36happily have the dress in 600 bucks and with the remaining 1,400 he can buy books or toys or
07:45something else maybe a ticket to the museum maybe a ticket to the adventure show or to the library
07:51the girl is supposed to invest herself fully in her looks and her body and her cosmetics and
07:58and all those things now that's the way the entire dispensation is raising her right and the same
08:07girl who was in that merchandise shop the previous evening goes to school the next morning and there
08:16she does not raise her hand how do we find it surprising that's the instance you know it has
08:23to be taken in the new spirit if you want to counter it it's very easy to counter it I expect
08:31some empathy when you know these examples are being rolled out because one would make sense
08:37of them only if there is a certain listening so these things are happening you know even right
08:48now you know nothing personal here but I am wearing something close to black you are wearing pink
08:53pink that's true I can't help it that pink is a color that attracts me I am very attracted like
09:04I really appreciate darker colors but for serene moments I do choose lighter colors but then again
09:11yeah where does why not purple right? Colors are just colors I mean they are wavelengths right yeah the fact is that firstly
09:20yeah pink is the color of the nest pink is the color of the newborn baby yeah right so prakriti
09:27is already pushing you towards pink and then what is the entire commercial dispensation doing it's
09:37bombarding you with pink you want to buy clothes half of the choices are just in pink the other
09:44half in red then the remaining ones in maybe white then then remaining 10% if you are very particular
09:51about diversity you will get in other colors so that's what is happening with the girls all the
09:57time and you have to remember in all this that boys and girls are not born alike we are born
10:06differently and it is the responsibility of our parents and educators to rid us of our body
10:15identification the girl should be raised to be less of a girl the boy has to be raised to be
10:26less of a boy but instead of that happening the girl is raised to become more of a girl and the
10:34boy becomes more of a boy and in this we must firstly acknowledge that equality is a very
10:43puerile myth girls and boys are different but that difference that inborn that innate difference has
10:54to be very wisely very creatively sublimated dissolved not amplified we amplify that we
11:09amplify that so what does the woman become the woman becomes a hyper woman the man becomes a
11:17hyper man profound and then both of these exploit each other so in some sense then the girl says I
11:26do not need to raise my hand because what will I do with knowledge my role is to be the one in the
11:35nest my role is to make the bed and lay the eggs and bring up the kids what will I do with Newton's
11:46laws and they're so guilty when they are in the workforce they are so torn they are so guilty when
11:52they are giving their 5,000 percent here and they have a baby probably just you know vying for
11:57attention and they have that you know I mean completely overpowering their entire work ethic
12:03you know a scary part here even that baby came out of a conditional obligation when I say
12:12conditional I mean something arising out of your conditioning yes absolutely you are conditioned
12:20to have a baby conditioned by the two forces physical the body cries out for the baby and
12:27much more than physical social voices around you are constantly reminding you reminding is a soft
12:37word pushing you oh yes pushing you to have a baby like I came back to my hometown after I don't
12:46know how many years because have always been away and no matter where I go Tauji's place
12:52Mausaji's place everywhere beta shadi kap karoge beta and it was the hottest topic aur poora khandaan
13:01when you have no right purpose in your life all that you have in your life is sex if you are 65
13:11now and you cannot physically ingratiate yourself with sex then you want to intrude into the sexual
13:20lives of others younger ones so what do you do you keep poking your nose in the matters of others
13:28you keep asking others about their private matters and sexual lives otherwise what does
13:35one mature adult have to do with these very very personal decisions of another mature adult even
13:43even asking for certain things seeking certain information is trespassing it is absolutely it
13:51is simply a violation it's an infringement and it's not civil at all it's not civil if we are
14:00if we are if we are cultured people there are certain questions we would never ask but we are
14:07not cultured we are driven by conditioning that's the difference between conditioning and culture
14:13by the way you know culture is the force that reduces the stranglehold of conditioning on the
14:21person so but but we are not cultured we are just conditioned absolutely even in the name of culture
14:28what we get is conditioning that's what people are doing all the time and that's and it's so weird
14:36because I tell them you don't even know who I am in the sense like who I am at my core you don't
14:42know me like who are you yeah they do not know their own core how will they know your core and
14:47also again just to complete the story the way we have narrated it so far it appears that only the
14:56women are victims the story is a bit different now you are indoctrinating the girl into that kind of
15:06a role you stay in the nest and you look pretty and you raise the kids and all those things she
15:17suffers right because no person male or female is born to do that she suffers and then she would
15:26take the suffering out on the nearest person possible and that person would either be the
15:32kids or the spouse so it's not as if a man exploiting a woman would be in a happy space
15:40not at all the woman is as much of a person as a man is and this person would avenge herself in
15:52ways direct or indirect and that's going to happen one of the ways of avenging herself is now that
16:00you didn't allow me to be properly educated you fetch me the money oh yes and I'll burn the money
16:11hmm you were the one who restricted me to the house the revenge life so fine I'll stay in the
16:20house but I'll burn the money so you bring me the money and my job will be to shop it hits home
16:26Acharya ji I've literally you're literally so this binge shopping if you visit shopping malls
16:35during the weekdays you you'll hardly find any men the men are all busy working 80% of the crowd
16:43there is female now that is revenge shopping hmm you know hmm he's at the job she's at the shop
16:52absolutely yes why didn't you allow me to be at the job weekend shopping is revenge shopping
16:59weekday shopping weekend the men are also pulled by the scruff into the mall oh yeah you come along
17:07with me correct and carry the bags yes yes yes yes but weekdays the men are all you know I know I
17:14am terribly generalizing but I hope something is coming out of it I very well know that there are
17:20couples in which the the woman is working and the man is sitting at home true all those things are
17:26there I know but this generalization is very deliberate and it is to make a point so excuse
17:37me this generalization but it makes some sense so so so that is what is happening you know you
17:42exploit someone you cannot remain at peace after the exploitation or during the exploitation
17:49man exploits woman the woman too is bound to exploit the man it's not possible that one just
17:57plays the victim the victim is because the victim has her own points of power she's at the home she
18:07controls the home she has the kids the kids are more affiliated to her so there are several ways
18:13in which she can you know turn a few handles it's not good for either of them not good for either of
18:22them and what's the root cause the root cause is not man the root cause is all pervasive spiritual
18:29ignorance which is turning the man into a man and a woman into a woman which is not allowing either
18:36of them to realize their conscious nature the woman is not supposed to be a woman you have
18:44decked her up turned her into a doll and and now one can't even talk to her as a person you have
18:53to talk to her as a woman and if you talk to her as a person the terrible thing is the woman herself
19:00gets offended she'll say you don't know how to talk to a woman but I'm talking to a person yeah
19:06oh my god yes I'm talking to a person and she says you don't know how to talk to a woman now what is
19:12this if you are so steeped in your identity as a woman how will you ever transcend yourself same
19:19with men obviously you you you console a man after a while the man starts feeling awkward men are not
19:27supposed to be consoled you know so so he'll say okay okay fine fine I'm fine I'm fine he's not
19:32fine obviously but he doesn't want to be seen as a weakling I'm fine so women should not proclaim
19:38you know chivalry is dead expecting the man to open the I mean why would you just you're just
19:44contradicting yourself basically the more women demand privileges for themselves the more they
19:52are confining themselves to their womanhood and if they are they are they are reinforcing their
19:59womanhood so much then they are reinforcing their own prison so all these things you know reservation
20:05in buses or in trains I mean come on we are we are grown-ups right exactly you you look at the
20:15the numbers in athletics or something I mean let's look at the 100 meter sprint right men do
20:23it in what what's the Olympic record world record 9.87 seconds or something how far behind are the
20:29women not very far behind so are modern well-fed well-bred mature women really so physically weak
20:39that they require reserved seats in buses that should not happen and I'm not saying that as a
20:46man I'm saying that as a as a well-wisher of all human beings because if you're doing that that's
20:51bad for the woman and that's bad for the man that's bad for everybody right I understand the the
20:58situations in public buses I know how people behave and all those things we must have separate
21:06mechanisms to deal with cases of misbehavior or physical trespassing we must have separate ways
21:15but these things you know how does it honor a woman to say this seat is for for the elderly
21:25the handicapped and women how do women enjoy being bracketed with the elderly and the handicapped and
21:35I'm talking of sturdy strong women I'm talking of of the of the modern girl why should she
21:45partake in this nonsense at the same time how do you then Acharya ji know that okay if I'm not
21:53expecting my man you don't need to open the door for me or you don't need to you know I mean take
21:59up the seat for me then how do I know that we are treating each other right like you know who are you
22:05before you know whether you are being treated rightly you should know who you are who are you
22:11are you a woman then you would try to be treated rightly in a womanly way in a womanly way but if
22:21you are that suffering old consciousness we have been talking of then you would want a man who
22:27elevates your consciousness absolutely and the man would then seek a woman or a man or anybody
22:34even as a friend or as a teacher or as a companion or whatever a barter system of who helps raise and
22:41purify define his consciousness you know even if you are seeking a sexual partner you would have
22:48some idea of or some you'd give some weightage to the fact that what is this person going to
22:57do to my mind to my consciousness that value system that your consciousness is far more valuable
23:10than the fact of your body or biology that's not been driven into us and that will not come
23:17naturally that has to come through education education provided by either the family or the
23:24institution but they both are doing a dismal job they both are doing a pathetic job no doubt
23:31so so we are just you know hitting each other killing each other running a mock we are all
23:39being violent towards each other it's not that the woman is being exploited only by the man the woman
23:45is being exploited also by the woman and the and the man is exploiting the child the woman is
23:50exploiting the child in some other way it's an entire network an entire ecosystem in which all
23:56are exploiters because all are ignorant and the root cause again is the absence of real education
24:06so does pay parity this this debate that really you know gain this traction pay parity between
24:12uh you know gender inequality i'm not even talking of pay parity no it just in my organization there
24:18are women who get paid much more than men men at similar positions men of similar age
24:29and there are times when they don't get paid as much as the men now that you're saying it
24:34have never even occurred to me that i should look at gender before deciding on their paycheck
24:41it depends on how well you have done it depends on whether you have been true to your potential
24:47it depends on so many things one thing it doesn't depend on is your gender
24:52so see there are certain things obviously you have to take care of if if a girl is working
25:00till late in the night obviously given the social conditions we'll want to get her drop back to her
25:07place so that much the organization will ensure maybe if it's a it's a male we won't be that
25:13careful we'll say fine pick up your vehicle and go on your own and that's all right even if you
25:17have to travel up to the next city 40 kilometers you'll manage so in that sense obviously we two
25:23are partisan we are biased towards uh the the women when it comes to providing physical security and
25:32all i think that's quite fair but when it comes to assessment on how they are doing gender is
25:40very irrelevant and gender should be irrelevant the scary part here is
25:46even the women want the gender to be relevant now that's that's not not if they're not outrightly
25:53saying it but they're acting in a way or representing themselves in a way that
25:59shrieks from the rooftops that you are seeking i'm a woman so i deserve special consideration
26:06you won't get it not at the right places if there is a place that is giving you special
26:13consideration as a woman rest assured that it is also exploiting you especially as a woman
26:23because the way our world is the way the the system of the capital is
26:33there are no free lunches so if somebody is providing you certain special amenities
26:39or allowances he would be extracting his pound of flesh somewhere at some time rest assured
26:49but you know that's again a part of the training the the woman is supposed to feel
26:55to feel that men would remain unreasonably and unduly chivalrous they won't they won't
27:07and because there is this expectation drilled into her mind since the childhood
27:12so she ends up making very very bad career and relationship decisions
27:17the man fully well knows how to ingratiate himself to the woman
27:21hmm how to make himself
27:27endearing to the woman all those are set rules he knows you do such a thing this that and
27:35such such trivial and yeah and childish stuff you you present that teddy bear and maybe maybe
27:42not an advanced age but when you are in your late teens or in your early 20s then all those things
27:47they work yeah like magic they work so so so you you you bring this and you
27:55you pay her bills and certain things and the woman ends up making a bad relationship decision
28:02very bad relationship decision and if kids sprout from that decision that decision becomes
28:11practically irreversible now what will she do first of all you are so prone to making a bad
28:18decision because you have been badly educated then that decision is prone to becoming quickly
28:27irreversible now will the woman remain caged or not therefore i have been repeatedly saying
28:39that spiritual education is doubly as important for girls as it is for boys the boys can probably
28:49wait maybe they can wait to receive hard knocks from life and maybe they can get initiated even
29:02at the age of 45 after they have gone through all the hardships and receives the blows and then
29:09they can come and say you know i have i have led a wasted life and now i want to know what the
29:17upanishads and vedanta and the saints have said so it can begin for them at the age of 45
29:25it cannot begin for a woman at the age of 45 absolutely if it doesn't begin for her at 15
29:31this is so good if it doesn't begin for her at 15 it will never begin it will be so difficult
29:38extremely difficult in the recently allowed camp there were two two women who were sitting out
29:47sitting out of the session venue because their kids were unmanageable think of it oh
29:53oh and
29:58when i traveled from bangalore the other one i don't know from where
30:03they had spent money they had taken out time
30:09and they were not attending the proceedings because they had kids to manage
30:16and it was a very precious opportunity for them to to attend the advaita mahotsav
30:21they had been waiting for it since long and they would have taken leaves from their
30:27workspaces done all kinds of arrangements i can understand and this is what happens so
30:37even spiritual progress cannot happen when you have raised those kinds of liabilities
30:41it's a bad place to be in you know and and she'll stand in front and she'll cry and say
30:52i know what you are saying is right i also know what i must rightly do at this time but what do
30:59i do with these two so they actually never happened to come inside they would have come inside but you
31:08know the sessions that we have they are not of the kind where if you are doing this in-out yeah
31:13obviously comprehend so if you miss out you just miss out you miss the train you are either totally
31:21in or totally out you cannot peep in for a while and get some percent of it and that's not going to
31:28happen so not that it is impossible at 45 for a woman but it's very very difficult much more
31:39difficult than it is for a man even for a man it is very difficult now imagine the difficulty level
31:43for a woman how do you unlearn right because you've accumulated so much of so much and also
31:50once you have been indoctrinated into thinking that the man is going to be the breadwinner
31:57and your function is to again make the bed it becomes very difficult for you to be financially
32:04independent later on you have never earned a penny all your life how will you start earning at 45
32:12you know the tragedy is there are women who were earning till the age of 28 oh yes and then they
32:19give up on their jobs and then at 45 they realize the wreck their lives are and now they want to
32:26resume their careers it's difficult yeah you have forgotten all the skills technology has moved
32:33ahead you have been left behind in all possible ways absolutely so you can still catch up but
32:40obviously it's difficult spiritual education for girls must be supremely mandatory and if one is
32:50parenting a girl child one has to be so loving and so careful it requires much more to raise
33:01an admirable girl then it requires to raise a decent boy
33:12the role
33:16biology and society decide for these two is not at all right not at all right
33:31after a while you know one starts one one stops feeling that one is exploited
33:39one one gets acclimatized and one develops stakes in the status quo so now even if
33:52there is an opportunity to change yourself you don't change what's worse now even if there is an
34:01opportunity to let your daughter change you do not allow even your daughter to change oh yes
34:07oh yes if a daughter is about to do something adventurous
34:15off-track it's quite possible that the greater resistance comes not from the father but from the
34:26mother one caged bird cannot envision another bird flying so the cycle just continues and
34:43and but we need to tell the girls to hold on and you know just build that spiritual wealth
34:51that will sail them through right spiritual wealth not the kind of ideology that we are
35:00seeing in circulation these days the ideology that we are seeing in circulation these days is
35:05just an extension of the past you know the thing that says that girl should be free to make their
35:14own choices and all that now why do i call it an extension of the past in the past
35:24choices for a girl were being made by somebody else and that somebody else was a fool
35:31so he was making all the wrong choices for the girl now today the the in thing is let the girl
35:38decide for herself and make her own choices and the girl herself is a fool so you still have a
35:45fool deciding for the girl earlier the fool was sitting outside of the girl today the fool is
35:51sitting in the girl's mind nevertheless it's a fool deciding for her so it's not about who decides
36:02for you it's much more about you being in the right and the wise position to make decisions
36:13if you do not know how to make decisions autonomy in decision making is just a curse
36:20is it not so today we have in in the current generation of of teens and
36:30college going girls a lot of this radical thing i'll live life my own way i decide for myself
36:39yeah you live you only live once my way or the highway and such things
36:44hmm the thing is you're still coming from the same center your grandmother was coming from
36:52a center of ignorance yes your grandmother knew nothing
36:59you too know nothing it's just that the exploiter in the grandmother's case
37:07was a person other than the grandmother today the situation is actually worse because the
37:16exploiter has entered the girl's mind and is exploiting her from within and she feels this
37:23is freedom so you cannot have freedom without firstly becoming wise being unwise and arrogating
37:34freedom to yourself is disastrous so so there is this education and wisdom
37:41that is mandatory for every human being and much more so for girls
38:04you