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00:00Hey, was this from the Draymond Green Show?
00:02Okay, Draymond on his podcast.
00:05And again, like we can give you a little bit of this.
00:09Here's another taste of Steve Ashburner, NBA.com,
00:13who was with Stein and Gu earlier today.
00:15The taste of the Ashburner?
00:17Yeah, he burned some things,
00:18mainly Jimmy Butler, take a listen.
00:20I enjoyed the honeymoon.
00:22You know, this gets down to the situation of,
00:24are you gonna believe what he says about the fifth wife?
00:27Are you gonna believe with how it worked out
00:29with all the first four watch?
00:30You know, I think that Jimmy Butler is,
00:33I don't know how to say it.
00:35He sort of burns through relationships, seems to me.
00:38Okay, so there's that criticism,
00:42and then here comes Draymond.
00:44I wanna know, everybody like, stop what you're doing.
00:48Because this one's intricate.
00:50This one's got a lot to it.
00:52And we would really love to get your reaction to this.
00:55I can't wait, you and I haven't talked about this yet.
00:57I wanna know what your reaction is to this.
01:01This is what Draymond says about people
01:03who get down on Jimmy Butler.
01:05I see how people can get tired of Jimmy,
01:08because if you're not a basketball head,
01:10if you don't love this,
01:11and you over-communicate like Jimmy,
01:14dot every T, I mean, dot every I and cross every T,
01:17losers will get frustrated with that.
01:20If you don't love, eat, breathe this,
01:22and more importantly, winning,
01:24you can get frustrated with that.
01:26So I can see in two weeks or three weeks,
01:28whatever it's been,
01:29how someone can get frustrated with Jimmy,
01:32because most people aren't winner.
01:33The things that he's doing, like,
01:35it's music to my ears to talk basketball
01:37with somebody that know the basketball game like Jimmy,
01:40and listen and learn from somebody
01:42who know the game like Jimmy.
01:44It's music to my ears,
01:45him over-communicating the way he does.
01:48Okay, so he's an over-communicator,
01:50but if you don't like it, Dibs,
01:52it's because you're a loser.
01:53Yep, yep, I mean, it feels a little harsh,
01:56but I was just thinking about it as I heard that clip,
02:00and I'm wondering how many winners he's ever played with,
02:03how many championship winners.
02:06Jimmy or Draymond?
02:07Jimmy Butler.
02:08Jimmy.
02:09He's talking about Jimmy,
02:09and like, I can see where people get tired of Jimmy,
02:13because if you get tired of Jimmy over-talking,
02:15you're a loser.
02:17And the one name that I can't help but think about
02:19is a guy who we know is a champion.
02:21He was a champion here.
02:23He played with Jimmy Butler.
02:24Andrew Wiggins?
02:26So, stand on it, Draymond.
02:29Stand on what you say.
02:31Stand on what you do.
02:32What you're saying is Andrew Wiggins is a loser.
02:35Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
02:37What he's saying is, don't woe me.
02:39No, that's.
02:40Don't woe me.
02:41No, that's.
02:42Don't woe me.
02:43What Draymond is saying is that people who play
02:45with Jimmy Butler, and they get tired of Jimmy Butler,
02:48are losers.
02:50Andrew Wiggins played with Jimmy Butler.
02:52I don't know that Andrew Wiggins got tired of Jimmy Butler.
02:54Well, they got tired of Jimmy Butler, and.
02:56But that's, he's one person.
02:58I'm drawing from A to B to C.
03:00Draymond Green is saying that Andrew Wiggins is a loser.
03:03You drew from A to B to P.
03:05How the hell do you know?
03:06A to B to W.
03:07How do you know how Andrew Wiggins and Jimmy Butler
03:10got along in Minnesota?
03:11How the hell would you know that?
03:13All I know is that.
03:14There's literally been a sum total of zero words
03:16written about that in the history.
03:17Jimmy Butler called the entire team out onto the floor,
03:21and he wanted to fight the team,
03:23and then he took the third stringers,
03:25and he took them apart, and then he got himself out of town.
03:27First of all, yes.
03:28That we know.
03:29Yeah, the urban legend of the whole thing, number one.
03:32And number two, I have no idea where Andrew stood on that.
03:36Like, I have no idea if Andrew.
03:37Probably on the weak side.
03:38Oh, we have no idea.
03:40We have no idea.
03:41You know, I know what everyone's perceptions
03:44of Andrew Wiggins are, but there's a lot
03:47of different personalities in this league.
03:49You don't have to be a, quote, dog to be a winner.
03:54And by the way, you don't have to have won a championship
03:57to be labeled a winner.
03:58Is Derrick Rose not a winner?
04:00He played with Derrick Rose.
04:02They beefed a little bit.
04:04Is Derrick a loser?
04:05Couldn't win the NCAA title game.
04:07He won an MVP.
04:08Missed a couple of free throws.
04:09I mean, for real, though.
04:10You know what I'm saying.
04:11I know what you're saying.
04:12You're not a loser.
04:13I'm just reacting to what he said,
04:15and Draymond said it with his chest.
04:17But he just said, if you're bothered by Jimmy,
04:20I have no idea if Andrew is bothered by Jimmy.
04:22I have no idea.
04:23Well, we don't know if anyone's bothered by Jimmy
04:25other than Pat Riley.
04:26No, we do know some.
04:27We know some people who have gotten
04:29into head-butting matches with Jimmy Butler.
04:34By the way, important to point this out
04:36about his time in Miami.
04:38When you asked the players,
04:40the players loved Jimmy Butler.
04:42Now, that's public statement,
04:44so maybe they're not sharing their full opinion.
04:47I don't know.
04:49But when this was all going down,
04:51and Jimmy Butler quote-unquote quit on his teammates,
04:56I never heard any teammates say that.
04:58Nobody in Miami, Tyler Hero didn't say that.
05:02They said, we love Jimmy, and we respect Jimmy.
05:05Now, when Devondre Campbell quit on his teammates,
05:08the whole league walked up to a microphone
05:11to be like, that guy's a loser.
05:13So, which is it?
05:15Well, that was a mid-game quit.
05:16Of course.
05:17And it was a mid-game quit where you didn't have
05:19other linebackers who could play.
05:21So, Demetrius Flanagan-Fowles, who was already hurt,
05:24had to go in there and play because
05:26Devondre Campbell decided he couldn't play.
05:29And we both were at that game.
05:31I was in the press box eating seven square meals
05:33with Mark Grandy, and when we saw that happen,
05:37I was like, oh, Grandy, you see that?
05:40And he said, pass the salsa.
05:42And I said, here you go.
05:44And it was like, oh my God.
05:46And then you had Demetrius Flanagan-Fowles,
05:49who was already hurt, who had to go in there and play.
05:51So, this is not that he, I mean.
05:53No, it's not.
05:53But you know what I'm saying.
05:54And I don't even know if he quit on his team.
05:57Sometimes guys will speak out,
05:58and sometimes they won't.
05:59No member of the Miami Heat ripped Jimmy Butler
06:02on the way out the door.
06:04Right, and you know what they did when he quit on the team?
06:07They went out and won games.
06:09They had the same record without Jimmy Butler
06:11as they did with Jimmy Butler.
06:13Yeah, I mean, he was kind of,
06:15I don't know how engaged he was all year.
06:18Right. Even when he played.
06:19They were 500 with Jimmy Butler,
06:21and when he shut it down, they still were about 500.
06:24And since then, over the last, man,
06:27in the Wiggins era, they're one in six.
06:29Yeah, they're not 500 anymore.
06:31No.
06:32Yeah, no, they're a worse basketball team today
06:34than they were two weeks ago.
06:35I just hear Draymond's comments.
06:37I hear Draymond's comments,
06:39and I think about all the players
06:40that Jimmy Butler has played with,
06:42and it feels to me like Draymond Green
06:44is calling all of those guys out.
06:47The crew in Minnesota, the crew in Miami.
06:51In Philadelphia, he was there for 55 games,
06:53but he was only in Minnesota
06:55for not even a season and a half, a season and 10 games.
06:59I'm not even disagreeing with that thought
07:01as much as what I think he's doing.
07:03He's propping up warrior culture,
07:05which Draymond always does.
07:07He always does this.
07:09It's just another chapter in the book.
07:11Draymond Green is telling you,
07:13all of you other organizations don't know how to do
07:16what we know how to do.
07:17He does that all the time.
07:19Don't let us win another bleepin' championship.
07:22I mean, is it gonna come off as completely arrogant, pompous?
07:27Yup, yup, and that's nothing new.
07:30So I guess the only difference you and I have on that
07:33is you're sort of saying
07:35that Draymond's calling out individuals.
07:37I think he's calling out organizations.
07:40I think that's what he's doing.
07:41He's saying if Jimmy Butler didn't fit in your organization,
07:45that's because your organization doesn't know how to do it.
07:48And if his over-communication bothers you,
07:53you're not a hoop head.
07:55I don't know, maybe Andrew Wiggins loved it
07:57because Andrew doesn't wanna be the communicator.
07:59He doesn't wanna be the leader.
08:01So maybe he loved playing with Jimmy Butler.
08:03Yeah, and I think- I don't know.
08:04And I would wonder what the Minnesota perspective was.
08:07We heard the Chicago perspective earlier
08:10from Steve Ashburner and others,
08:11but the Minnesota one is the one
08:13that strikes me as interesting
08:15because he was there for one season and then 10 games,
08:19and he got dealt.
08:20So like Chicago, he was there for six full years,
08:24and they did what they did,
08:26and Derrick Rose got hurt,
08:27and they had a pretty good veteran team
08:29that could never quite get over the hump,
08:30and then you go to Minnesota,
08:32and within a year and change,
08:34you want out, and then you get out,
08:37and you go to Philadelphia,
08:38and then they don't want you,
08:40and then you go to Miami,
08:41and you're there for four or five years
08:43before you blew up that spot.
08:45So I think it's pertinent when you look at Golden State.
08:48It's different.
08:49He's older, they're older,
08:51and he doesn't really have the opportunity
08:53to do what he did in Minnesota now
08:56because he's 35.
08:57Right, right.
08:58He's 35, and he's walking into
09:00a completely different culture
09:02with more accomplished star teammates.
09:05That's the other thing.