👉 En la pequeña localidad de Ballesteros Sud, Córdoba, con apenas 700 habitantes, se lleva a cabo una intensa búsqueda para encontrar a Lian, un niño de tres años desaparecido desde el sábado. Las autoridades han desplegado un operativo que incluye helicópteros, drones y más de 200 personas en tierra. La comunidad está conmocionada mientras se investigan varias hipótesis, incluyendo la posibilidad de un secuestro. Se han allanado vehículos y confiscado celulares en busca de pistas. La familia del menor pertenece a la comunidad boliviana local y enfrenta momentos críticos mientras las altas temperaturas complican las labores de rescate.
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00:00Get us geographically, Gustavo, where are we talking about?
00:03We are talking about Ballesteros South.
00:05Ballesteros is a very small city, very small.
00:08And the part of Ballesteros South, which is where Ale Pueblas is at the moment,
00:13which is where the child is being looked for, which is where he was lost.
00:18It is a city of just 700 inhabitants.
00:20Ballesteros South is almost on Route 9.
00:22That's why it's a very fast route.
00:24In fact, if you can zoom in, tell me, so we can see the biggest cities.
00:29Sorry, I'm asking you in the air.
00:31On the contrary, zoom in, zoom in, zoom in.
00:35That's it, there it is.
00:36There it is.
00:38Notice, look, the area for the Rosarios is very well known.
00:42You have Cordoba, Minaclavero, Villagrever, the whole area of the Calamuchita base.
00:47And there is the city of Rosario.
00:48Here is the city of Rosario.
00:50Anyway, if we can go back to the main map,
00:53I want to show you something that has to do with today's sightings.
00:58Look, here is Ballesteros South.
01:01Ballesteros South is almost close, obviously, to Ballesteros.
01:04Ballesteros is the one that is almost specifically on Route 9,
01:09which is where they found the owner of the Amarok,
01:12who took the truck and the three cell phones.
01:16Which is the largest city closest to Ballesteros?
01:20It's this one, it's Belville.
01:22Ballesteros is almost in the middle between Villamaria and Belville,
01:25but it's much closer to Belville.
01:27And it's about 180 kilometers from the city of Cordoba.
01:31And it's not so far from Villamaria, which is another big city.
01:34Which is another big city.
01:36But also, if we can go away from the map a little,
01:40I would be struck by the fact that,
01:42if we are talking about child trafficking,
01:46they are going to Cordoba.
01:48The easiest thing, and what can usually be done,
01:51is to leave Ballesteros,
01:53get to Villamaria,
01:55take Route 158
01:58and go down to Route 7.
02:01Route 7 will take you to all the cordon that takes you,
02:05first to San Luis,
02:07and then, if you want, to the whole area of Mendoza
02:10and try to make the crossing to Chile.
02:14It's one of the closest possibilities.
02:16It's different in the case of the OAM,
02:17because in the case of the OAM,
02:18as usual, on the coast,
02:20we knew that the easiest crossing was the crossing to Paraguay,
02:23and from there, probably to Brazil.
02:25In this case, because of the place where it happened,
02:30as long as we are talking about the fact that it was kidnapped,
02:34and we are not talking about a tragedy of another kind.
02:39And that, unfortunately, he lost his life there.
02:41In this case, the hypothesis that one could think of
02:44is much more the descent to Route 7
02:48than the ascent on Route 9 to Cordoba,
02:52because, in addition, Cordoba has much more vehicle control,
02:55but much more vehicle control than Route 7.
02:59Correct me, Gustavo.
03:01In less than five hours,
03:0348 hours of disappearance are fulfilled.
03:07In 48 hours, you could go south, north,
03:09wherever you can think of.
03:11If we are talking about the hypothesis
03:13that the child was kidnapped,
03:15for whatever reason,
03:16after 48 hours, you could have left.
03:19Yes, Lucia, sorry to interrupt you.
03:21You were going to say something.
03:22No, what we do have to take into account
03:24is that, for the moment,
03:26the prosecution in charge of this case
03:29gave intervention only to the Protex
03:32at the time of activating the Sofia Alert,
03:36but did not give them intervention for the investigation.
03:39The Protex is the specialized prosecution unit
03:42in the treatment of people, of children,
03:46and what is being observed at this time
03:50is if the prosecution is going to take one more step
03:52and is going to ask for the intervention
03:54of this specialized area.
03:56Luis, another of the hypotheses,
03:58if we can go back to the map,
03:59that you are pointing out to me,
04:01that you are studying,
04:02which could easily be the other route.
04:05I said this route, Route 7,
04:06because it is the route that I was marked
04:08in the case of Guadalupe,
04:09when we worked on it in 2023.
04:11But we must not rule out that from here,
04:14from Villa María, they have gone up
04:16and to the coastline area,
04:18where it is also quite common.
04:20It is absolutely easy to cross.
04:22It is very easy to cross in any sector of Argentina.
04:25In everything, but I think that in Mendoza
04:27there is a certain rigor, a certain rigor.
04:30On the coast, you go out anywhere.
04:32Tell me what's going on there, Alejandro, please.
04:36Here there is, the truth, Luis,
04:39two things that we are going through.
04:42One is the tracking that does not end
04:44with helicopters, with people and others.
04:46And the other is to try, from this place,
04:48to find out information about the search.
04:52Or, I have to say it now,
04:54in an exclusive way, the or the search.
04:57Being half an hour in the morning, Luis,
05:00we can be almost in a condition
05:02to talk about the search.
05:05Pay attention to this situation,
05:07because in one of the very important searches
05:09three cell phones were found.
05:11They continued to work on that,
05:13they continued to analyze cameras,
05:15they followed this white camera,
05:17and at this time we can be talking about the searches.
05:19And I'm going to show it to Juan Pablo Quintero,
05:21who is the Minister of Security here in Cordoba.
05:23Luis is approaching to talk to us.
05:25Minister, I have to ask you
05:27about the two hypotheses, in principle.
05:29This truck that appeared here
05:31and still the tracking
05:33that is being done in an exhaustive way
05:35at this time.
05:37And we see the number of men working.
05:39Good morning.
05:41In reality, the hypothesis and the investigative line
05:43is followed by the Public Prosecutor's Office.
05:45The Prosecutor General has just informed us
05:47that another prosecutor has been incorporated
05:49into the investigation.
05:51With which, evidently, the case is complex.
05:53We follow the directive of the Prosecutor's Office.
05:56We are part of the Ministry of Security.
05:59I am in charge of the management of the police
06:01in the province of Cordoba and everything
06:03that you see deployed here.
06:05We already have police officers working,
06:07national officials who will also come to collaborate.
06:09One of the first calls here was also
06:11to the Minister of Security of the nation,
06:13to whom I thank for activating
06:15the SOFIA alert immediately.
06:17When the SOFIA alert is activated,
06:19it means that no investigative line is discarded.
06:21But I am the Minister of Security,
06:23I will not give in to the competition I have.
06:25And surely it will be the Public Prosecutor's Office
06:27who will inform
06:29about the lines of investigation
06:31and where it is heading.
06:33Luis, Juan Pablo Quintero is listening to you.
06:35Minister, thank you for attending.
06:37I ask you very specific questions
06:39that I would understand that you tell me
06:41and I cannot answer, but to be able to take it into account.
06:43Is it corroborated that a white truck
06:45entered the place at the time of the disappearance
06:47of Elian?
06:51These are testimonies
06:53that the Prosecutor's Office is investigating.
06:55But there are still no testimonies
06:57of images, as it had been said,
06:59that a camera took this truck.
07:03We do not have cameras in the area.
07:05The nearest camera is
07:07on a bridge that is here a few kilometers away.
07:09But usually this place,
07:11this place that you see here,
07:13where I am standing with your journalist,
07:15is an internal street of a field.
07:17It is not even a road,
07:19it is not even a rural road.
07:21From where we are standing,
07:23they enter exclusively to make transactions
07:25on the subject of burglars.
07:27People who know the place enter.
07:29In terms of investigation,
07:31I know you are not in charge,
07:33as you mentioned,
07:35but is there a preferred hypothesis?
07:37This is the disappearance of the pastizales,
07:39which has already been captured.
07:41Is there a preferred hypothesis of what happened to Elian?
07:45No, all hypotheses are handled.
07:47In this, absolutely none can be ruled out.
07:49We are with more than 200 people,
07:517 drones, 10 canes,
07:53the helicopter of the police of the province of Cordoba.
07:55We spent all night working
07:57the drones
07:59with thermal detection.
08:01That is to say,
08:03we continue to work on the hypothesis
08:05that the prosecutor sent us to work
08:07and that we look for it in the perimeter of point 0.
08:09In terms of thinking
08:11the physical capacity
08:13of a three-year-old creature
08:15and the pastizales that surround it,
08:17the searches, the searches
08:19cover what proportion?
08:21Is there still space
08:23that this little boy could have reached
08:25to inspect?
08:27Well,
08:29specialists on these issues
08:31indicate that many times
08:33one believes that a three-year-old child
08:3590 centimeters that the pastizales cover
08:37totally naked,
08:39without shoes,
08:41with 40 degrees of temperature,
08:43cannot get very far and many times
08:45he has found it much further
08:47than the imagination
08:49that the body thinks
08:51can support a child.
08:53That is why we will continue to expand
08:55the scope of search and search radio.
08:57Minister, how are you doing?
08:59Gustavo Gravia greets you.
09:01I make some specific inquiries
09:03about information that is not yet
09:05coming to try to corroborate it.
09:07The call to the police,
09:09the emergency call,
09:11I think the number of Cordoba is 101.
09:13The call was at 19.05?
09:15No,
09:17the record we have
09:19is at 19.40.
09:21At 20.25 I have the record
09:23that arrives at 19.40
09:25the call of the father to 101
09:27who communicates directly
09:29with the police station here in
09:31Valladolid. At 20.15
09:33the rural patrol arrives at this place.
09:35Rural patrol, because I insist,
09:37this is a truly rural place.
09:39Valladolid has only
09:41700 inhabitants, a very small place,
09:43but totally far away.
09:45And at 20,
09:47very few minutes from the presence
09:49of the rural patrol, when they corroborate
09:51the data given by the PAPAS,
09:53they communicate to the police station,
09:55the director of the summary of the police station
09:57communicates to the police station
09:59to put the investigation in the head
10:01of the Public Prosecutor's Office.
10:03From that moment we send a general director
10:05to work in the place and by
10:070 o'clock they were already with
10:09the scientific police conducting
10:11the investigation in the place.
10:13No, no, I understand the speed with which
10:15the entire Ministry of Security of Cordoba
10:17worked, but at 19.40
10:19you tell me that it is the call
10:21to 101
10:23and presumably they were looking for it
10:25from 17.00, that data is
10:27corroborated that it is from 17.00
10:29that the family begins
10:31the search and then the call
10:33occurs just two hours and forty minutes later?
10:37I'm going to comment
10:39that the family referred me
10:41and it has already become public, that's why I'm not violating
10:43the secret of the summary or any information
10:45that the family itself has not given.
10:47They inform us when I arrive,
10:49I was here all day yesterday,
10:51most of the day with the DA
10:53who was also here in the territory
10:55working, yesterday it was 45 degrees
10:57and a lot of wind, another
10:59inclemency, but yesterday it was really unbearable
11:01to be here.
11:03What the family refers to is that the last
11:05visual connection they have
11:07with Lian is at 15.00, 15.30
11:09that they see him with a cell phone
11:11in his hand
11:13and they are going to sleep the nap.
11:15Part of the family,
11:17I want to tell you that Lian is
11:19the second to last of six children,
11:21a woman and five boys,
11:23three years, the youngest is two years
11:25and that when
11:27at 4.30
11:29they wake up, the father
11:31goes back to work at the chopper
11:33and when they start looking for Lian,
11:35they are looking for him until the moment
11:37they call the police,
11:39apparently they looked for him
11:41believing that he could be lost in some pasture
11:43somewhere and that when they call the police
11:45is when they
11:47hold that they believe
11:49that there were other circumstances
11:51that they could not find him.
11:53That's why at 7.40
11:55they refer that they call the police.
11:57Minister,
11:59and with this nothing, it may have been
12:01simply a negligence and one assumes that it is a negligence,
12:03but three hours
12:05from the beginning of the search
12:07until calling the police,
12:09which obviously has other search methods
12:11much more effective,
12:13it is a vital time that was lost.
12:15I also think of the precariousness of the family
12:17of not knowing how.
12:19Minister, I ask you a technical question
12:21and a more human one.
12:23Correct me, there are not many cases
12:25in the area of disappearance of creatures
12:27or am I wrong with the statement I make?
12:29No, no, no,
12:31practically those cases do not exist.
12:33That's why,
12:35although we do not rule out any hypothesis,
12:37of course the first
12:39is that he has been lost,
12:41that he is somewhere in the pastures,
12:43which would be a very dramatic situation
12:45also because
12:47two days with more than 40 degrees
12:49is difficult to bear for any human being.
12:51Imagine for a creature
12:53so small.
12:55But I insist on this,
12:57I do not want to delve into a question
12:59of the investigative committee
13:01and the Public Prosecutor's Office.
13:03I, as Minister of Security,
13:05from the moment zero
13:07we have put all the resources
13:09available to find him.
13:11But you are very respectful
13:13about the investigation,
13:15but it goes a little towards
13:17what you just said,
13:19I almost ask you humanly.
13:21I insist, it is not to hinder the investigation,
13:23it gives the impression
13:25that he may have been lost in the pastures
13:27That was the first hypothesis
13:29on which we work,
13:31and the hypothesis on which
13:33the prosecution continues to work.
13:35That's why I have more than 200 people
13:37doing a top-to-top tracking
13:39already for the third or fourth time
13:41in some places,
13:43because this is what it is about.
13:45Although the place is flat,
13:47its chronicler may have shown it,
13:49what is the part of the cutoff
13:51has a lot of recess,
13:53with many places where probably
13:55he was hidden,
13:57and that something happened to him.
13:59We are looking for him,
14:01and we have tracked him
14:03up to three or four times
14:05in some places.
14:07We are with drones,
14:09we are with seven drones,
14:11ten dogs,
14:13ten tracking dogs,
14:15the helicopter of the Cordoba police,
14:17200 people,
14:19even a person on a paraglider
14:21who is doing a tracking
14:23I assume you were able to talk
14:25with the parents and the family.
14:27Do you give me the impression
14:29of what you received
14:31in that talk with the relatives?
14:35Look, I want to be very prudent
14:37and respectful about that issue
14:39and about what we talked about,
14:41because they were two people
14:43who were clearly shocked
14:45by the disappearance of their son.
14:47I want to comment on the context.
14:49Here live four families
14:51who are part of the Bolivian community
14:53who are engaged in cutting
14:55the wings.
14:57Many times, by personal experience,
14:59in other cases with people
15:01from the community,
15:03they are people who do not speak much,
15:05who are not very open to dialogue,
15:07but we will continue to work.
15:09At this moment,
15:11the people of Fiscalia are arriving,
15:13and if you excuse me,
15:15I want to meet with the General Prosecutor
15:17of the province.
15:19I will take it.
15:23There is the General Prosecutor of the province.
15:25We see the disappearance live.
15:27We thank you.
15:29We are very grateful to the minister.
15:31Tell us what's going on there, Alejandro.
15:33He just approached the prosecutor,
15:35and we see the minister
15:37greeting the prosecutor of the cause.
15:39He was going to give a press conference
15:41at this minute,
15:43but he didn't.
15:45And there he is going to inform him.
15:47He is going to inform Quintero
15:49about what is happening,
15:51and the prosecutor will come
15:53to talk to the media
15:55to explain the state of the search
15:57and the searches.
15:59In case of doubt,
16:01the prosecutor is Mr. de Saco,
16:03whom we admire.
16:05The General Prosecutor of Cordoba,
16:07Juan Manuel Edgardo.
16:09The General Prosecutor of Cordoba.
16:11Yes, Alejandro.
16:13Juan Manuel Edgardo,
16:15Juan Manuel Edgardo.
16:17We are going to corroborate the information.
16:19But there they are approaching
16:21the family
16:23to the house of the IAN.
16:25They are about to reach
16:27the green tent that is there.
16:29There we see
16:31how they move to that place.
16:33And there, in principle,
16:35they are in front of the IAN family.
16:37We are going to run here.
16:39Excuse me, the movements
16:41of the media are abrupt.
16:43Ale, while you go there,
16:45I consult you.
16:47The information that arrives
16:49here in Buenos Aires
16:51is that there were three
16:53stranded white trucks.
16:55Is it the same information
16:57that is handled there?
16:59No, we do not have that information.
17:01It has not reached me here.
17:03But simply, the story of the neighbor
17:05in congruence with something
17:07that was reported by the
17:09Public Prosecutor's Office
17:11and this security camera of the bridge
17:13that the minister named,
17:15which is the one that takes
17:17the image of this truck
17:19and then later
17:21the house where
17:23three cell phones are apparently located.
17:25Of course.
17:27This movement
17:29attracts my attention
17:31seeing other cases.
17:33Attention now, sorry.
17:35A neighbor tells me
17:37that there were
17:39six hijacked phones
17:41and there are also three
17:43hijacked trucks.
17:45Two of them are from Villa María
17:47and one from Ballesteros.
17:49Very kind, thank you very much.
17:51We thank the neighbor now,
17:53who is part of the investigation,
17:55who confirms the data
17:57that Gustavo Gravia said.
17:59I do not want in any way
18:01to generate any kind of whispers
18:03about this, but it strikes me
18:05that the prosecutor asks to interrupt
18:07I do not know,
18:09it seems to me that he has some information
18:11that he wants to communicate to everyone.
18:13Some delicate information, you say.
18:15This, I mean, I do not want to generate ...
18:17Yes, yes, the talk was interrupted, Luis.
18:19Correct me, Alejandro,
18:21we were talking to Minister Quintero,
18:23the prosecutor came to claim the presence
18:25of the minister and went to talk
18:27with the family of Lian, am I saying it right?
18:29Yes, perfect.
18:31We thought it was a press conference,
18:33but when we finished inquiring,
18:35he came to look for the minister
18:37to approach the place
18:39where the family is.
18:41So at first we wanted him to come
18:43to give a conference, but he came to look
18:45directly for the minister to talk to him.
18:47Ale, if I do not compromise you,
18:49and while we wait for the resolution
18:51of what Prosecutor Delgado has
18:53to say to the media in a few minutes,
18:55if you have the neighbor nearby,
18:57can you ask him if it is normal
18:59that on Saturday
19:01trucks enter
19:03looking for bricks
19:05or whatever, to the area
19:07of Ballesteros Sur?
19:09The witness stated it,
19:11which was very ...
19:13he emphasized that,
19:15that is why later he declares
19:17the truck, no one enters here
19:19if it is not for a call.
19:21I'm going to your house to take this to you,
19:23and no one enters without asking permission.
19:25It's like entering a field,
19:27so that we have a notion of where we are.
19:29So no one enters without permission.
19:31At the point where we are,
19:33the street that is on the ground,
19:35does not appear on the map,
19:37so that they end up understanding
19:39where we are located at this time.
19:41That is, you have to be a Bacchian
19:43of the place or the area to know
19:45where to enter and warn.
19:47And another question ...
19:49I will tell you an incident that happened to us.
19:51We arrived here at four thirty
19:53in the morning of the trip from Buenos Aires
19:55and we located the place
19:57because we could follow
19:59like in the distance
20:01and then we approached here a patrol car.
20:03We infiltrated a caravan
20:05that brought us here, otherwise we would not arrive.
20:07And the other thing that Gustavo also asked,
20:09he asked the minister is ...
20:11Let's see, let's see, come on,
20:13we follow you, we follow you, of course.
20:15Yes, forgive me, sorry Luis.
20:17No, nothing to forgive.
20:19Sorry for the interruption.
20:21Of course, it's okay.
20:23There they are meeting
20:25and there he has just entered through the back.
20:27They are the heads of the search
20:29that they are doing here on foot
20:31and look, the one behind
20:33in orange there
20:35is the one who puts conditions
20:37for the helicopter to be piloted
20:39and who also works
20:41in the handling of the drone.
20:43Well, now the whole dome is gathered.
20:45That is, this must be underlined,
20:47what you are saying.
20:49Nothing, I don't want to say anything.
20:51Maybe it's just to coordinate
20:53how the tasks continue.
20:55The minister, the Attorney General,
20:57the head of the operative
20:59and part of the investigators
21:01are all close to Lian's family.
21:03Am I right?
21:05Yes, yes, yes,
21:07close to them.
21:09I understand that they are almost
21:11a few meters away
21:13and I can't see if it is that
21:15father and mother have moved
21:17six meters to be all together,
21:19but I would believe that they are all together
21:21at this moment.
21:23The house of Lian
21:25is the one that is seen
21:27next to that red tent
21:29and that green tent,
21:31am I saying it right?
21:33Yes, of course, that is the door
21:35that Lian crossed to supposedly
21:37be with the cell phone
21:39and supposedly take a nap,
21:41which obviously did not happen
21:43apparently by the story of the minister
21:45and the people who have
21:47approached to talk to us.
21:49Ale, and the distance between
21:51the four families
21:53approximately how much is?
21:57The distances between the family
21:59and the neighbor who sees the truck?
22:01Put it, yes.
22:03There we have 100 meters.
22:05Look, that's Lian's house
22:07and that's the neighbor's house
22:09that gives us the revealing testimony
22:11that then leads to having to
22:13provide the information to the minister
22:15of these findings, three trucks kidnapped,
22:17six cell phones, well,
22:19all that work that has been done
22:21in these hours.
22:23There is imposed something that Gustavo Gravia
22:25said when he spoke with the minister,
22:27which is how unusual it is
22:29that a three-year-old boy
22:31goes out to play around the brick kilns
22:33alone,
22:35knowing that he knows the place.
22:37This is the point,
22:39that a father can
22:41rest assured that the boy is there
22:43in that kind of
22:45improvised courtyard,
22:47or how extraordinary,
22:49because that is the point.
22:51As it was with
22:53Loan, the blessed orange tree,
22:55that tree, etc.,
22:57what happened from the courtyard
22:59to where it disappeared?
23:01Courtyard, I mean that place of land, right?
23:07Yes, it is what was tried to investigate
23:09first with the dogs, Luis.
23:11As soon as the canoes arrived,
23:13they tried to follow the trail,
23:15because the trail is cut at a specific point,
23:17we have not determined it,
23:19but the trail is short,
23:21and we learned it with Loan.
23:23When the dog arrives at the place where the trail is cut,
23:25it is because someone raised the child.
23:27Well, as the information becomes known,
23:29apparently the trail of the canoe
23:31that is looking for life,
23:33smells in the house, recognizes the child,
23:35takes a few more steps and cuts.
23:37Well, that's why the child's trail
23:39could not be followed,
23:41which is taken away or disappears without clothes.
23:43I give it as nothing more than
23:45a version of an expert
23:47of the judicial authority
23:49of the province of Cordoba,
23:51who asks me for a reservation
23:53and of course we are going to keep it,
23:55that the preferred hypothesis
23:57with which they are working
23:59in that place is that the pastizales were lost,
24:01because, as Alejandro said,
24:03the level of heat
24:05he did in the last few hours,
24:07absolutely without any kind of protection,
24:09and because of the age of the little one,
24:11dehydration is very fast.
24:13They tell me that the preferred hypothesis,
24:15although the minister very respectfully
24:17did not want to say it,
24:19the preferred hypothesis
24:21is that it was lost,
24:23although there is a data
24:25that should help to unravel this,
24:27it is very flat,
24:29said Minister Quintero,
24:31that is, it is not like in currents
24:33that there were different
24:35cases,
24:37different promontories
24:39and so on,
24:41the terrain is very flat, Alejandro, right?
24:43Yes, there are no estuaries,
24:45which is the part of the wetlands
24:47that complicated the search
24:49for the little one,
24:51here it is vegetation and plain,
24:53everything you look for,
24:55you look for the height of the floor,
24:57in Lohan we had estuaries,
24:59different types of vegetation,
25:01more abundant than here,
25:03here we are in a plain,
25:05there are places where
25:07there may be reeds,
25:09so that it is lost
25:11in a kind of taqueria,
25:13well, all that situation
25:15does not occur in this place,
25:17when more people arrive
25:19from the Public Prosecutor's Office,
25:21they are the two young people
25:23who walk with a black shirt
25:25and a cap,
25:27they are the two assistants
25:29of the prosecutor,
25:31who approach to see
25:33the place together with the prosecutor.
25:35Be careful, because those grasslands
25:37that one is seeing in the images
25:39that you are giving us,
25:41obviously they are much higher
25:43than the height of the little one, right?
25:45Yes,
25:47more rural police arrive,
25:49let's see what we can
25:51inform in a minute,
25:53also gendarmerie,
25:55another mobile of gendarmerie
25:57that is approaching,
25:59at this time,
26:01there is a lot of movement,
26:03and I'm going to the grassland,
26:05that Gustavo was telling me,
26:07yes, yes, a lot of movement, Luis,
26:09Loan,
26:11Lian,
26:13I don't know,
26:15considering the average height,
26:17a three-year-old creature
26:19must measure less than one meter,
26:21yes, yes, 90 centimeters,
26:23and look where the grasslands
26:25reach you,
26:27here I would cover it, Luis,
26:29here I would cover it,
26:31of course,
26:33that's why,
26:35I'm going to tell you something
26:37that is going to sound strong,
26:39but it's the truth,
26:41the truth must be told,
26:43if the child had been
26:45with 40 degrees,
26:4745 degrees of temperature,
26:4950 degrees of thermal sensation,
26:51he would have suffocated
26:53among the grasslands,
26:55of course,
26:57the hours of heat,
26:59imagine Saturday, which was hot,
27:01at three in the afternoon,
27:03with full sun,
27:05it is very difficult,
27:07the rest of the
27:09Lian's little brothers,
27:11I don't know,
27:13are they taken care of,
27:15was there a particular operation
27:17to contain the family, Alejandro?
27:19Yes, yes, yes,
27:21there was just an assistant,
27:23who was with some of the brothers,
27:25another assistant with the mother,
27:27they are contained,
27:29they are contained,
27:31and that is why they are not
27:33dialoguing with the press,
27:35because they are contained,
27:37they are very concerned,
27:39and part of the lexicon,
27:41Luis, let's remember that they
27:43are from Bolivia,
27:45they have little contact,
27:47little contact with society,
27:49it must be said,
27:51and that their lexicon
27:53I imagine, and in that place
27:55neither,
27:57of much social contact,
27:59because they are recontracted,
28:01do you know if the little ones are schooled,
28:03if,
28:05they don't mess because they have three,
28:07but the rest of the little brothers are six,
28:09as I understood,
28:11the rest of the brothers go to school,
28:13where are you going, do you have any idea of this, Alejandro?
28:15We don't have that information,
28:17but from what I could observe,
28:19it is
28:21an understanding
28:23also of the brothers,
28:25that some, those who are a little older,
28:27they even work here, Luis.
28:29From Ballesteros South,
28:31to what would be the city
28:33of Ballesteros,
28:35how much is there, Ale, more or less,
28:37from where you are,
28:39to what would be the town of Casco,
28:41six kilometers, look, there we are seeing it,
28:43six, seven kilometers,
28:45with which, if they went to school,
28:47I don't know what kind of vehicle they have,
28:49and if they have some kind of vehicle,
28:51the relatives,
28:53as for the boys, of course,
28:55to make the journey.
28:57I'm going to ask you an absolutely inappropriate question.
28:59Yes, they have a white truck,
29:01which I think they use
29:03to also transport
29:05food,
29:07as I can observe today.
29:09Alejandro, I ask you an absolute question,
29:11an inappropriate comment,
29:13where are you from, where are you from?
29:15From the city of La Plata.
29:17How long have you been in Cordoba?
29:21And now,
29:23a few hours ago,
29:25we arrived at four in the morning, more or less.
29:27I appeal to a tool
29:29that is very
29:31loved in journalism
29:33and very underprivileged,
29:35which is the journalistic sense.
29:37After arriving at these hours
29:39and having seen,
29:41what impression do you have, as a hypothesis,
29:43of what has happened?
29:45Yes, that the child, alive or dead,
29:47is not here, otherwise I would have already found it.
29:49Again, the child,
29:51alive or dead, is not there,
29:53you say?
29:57Oh, we were cut off
29:59right at this moment.
30:01Luis, here we are.
30:03Your sentence was textual,
30:05the child with ...
30:07Because they are
30:09about to fly the helicopters,
30:11one of the helicopters,
30:13they cut it off,
30:15there we recover.
30:17This, from experience,
30:19and from what happened
30:21with Lohan,
30:23I had to cover the case very closely.
30:25If the child is alive or dead,
30:27he is found,
30:29in the hours that have already passed.
30:31Now that it is going to happen,
30:33more staff from EDUARD arrives,
30:35the fire department, special police force,
30:39with more dogs.
30:43Yes, well, the search has to be
30:45intensive, maybe the radio
30:47they would have to expand it.
30:49One always assumes, a three-year-old,
30:5150 degrees of heat,
30:53as Luis said, with the level of dehydration
30:55that it can have, and it is rare that it can
30:57move away more than 2,000 meters
30:59from the place, but well,
31:01I suppose that now the radio will become
31:033,500, 4,000,
31:05up to 5,000 meters.
31:07If it is that
31:09the child went for his own means.
31:11And there is also something
31:13to think about, because they are very urban,
31:15very urban.
31:17And then one would say,
31:19how are they going to leave a three-year-old
31:21alone? No, no, no,
31:23you don't have to think like that.
31:25There in the countryside, in this rural area,
31:27the child has a freedom that we don't have
31:29in the city.
31:31But that's why I was saying,
31:33maybe in this outcrop,
31:35in this dirt field,
31:37the parents stay calm,
31:39that is, against what one thinks
31:41very well, you say, from the city of Luis.
31:43Yes, Alejandro.
31:45Luis, sorry, two more dogs
31:47who have just joined the search.
31:49There are police personnel from the province of Cordoba
31:51who are arriving. It is not that there is exchange.
31:53Attention, more police personnel
31:55are arriving.
31:57It catches my attention, Alejandro.
31:59There is a civilian person.
32:01It catches my attention how many
32:03effective ones are arriving.
32:05Yes,
32:07there is another movement, ending
32:09the tracking of the northern area.
32:11Of course.
32:13At this precise moment, ending
32:15part of the tracking of the northern area and come, look,
32:17part of the southern area is already returning
32:19also with empty hands.
32:21Now...
32:23This is all that was the tracking of the southern area.
32:25It's a question because I don't know.
32:27Can you track
32:29I don't know,
32:31with a certain propensity
32:33that it gives a positive result
32:35walking that pastizal?
32:37Because, I say, it must be very difficult.
32:39I don't know how to do it.
32:41I don't know how to do it.
32:43Because, I say, with the drones it helps.
32:45With the helicopters it helps.
32:47Now, standing, how do you track that?
32:49Ah, yes, look, Luis.
32:51We are going to show it to you.
32:53Diego is going to stay there because
32:55the signal is lost in this area.
32:57We have a septic chamber, but look.
32:59The way we saw them tracking is
33:01run, step, run, step.
33:03Run, step, run, step.
33:05Run, step, run, step.
33:07Run, step, run, step.
33:09Run, step, run, step.
33:11And this is how the mark of what
33:13they are tracking is left.
33:15Of the way they are tracking.
33:17You can find the child,
33:19you can find
33:21obviously something,
33:23some clue, something.
33:25But in Loan,
33:27for us to have references,
33:29then, well, the origin was known
33:31and so on, but here the child
33:33was naked. And that complicates
33:35the search. It complicates the search a lot.
33:37What happens, Ale, is that for me
33:39there is a key fact that you gave,
33:41which is the lost trace
33:43as soon as
33:45he leaves the house.
33:47The dogs can't follow
33:49a smelly trail.
33:51And that is like
33:53an instance that
33:55leads you to think that
33:57someone could have taken it away.
33:59I mean, hopefully not.
34:01But if the dog
34:03gets to a certain point
34:05and at that point says, hey, I got here,
34:07I can't find any more trace.
34:09Well, the situation could
34:11feed the hypothesis
34:13that the neighbor gave you
34:15as a fact that some
34:17white truck passed by the place and
34:19took it away.
34:21Yes, yes,
34:23and also the dog's trail
34:25doesn't fail.
34:27The dog's trail doesn't fail.
34:29It doesn't fail.
34:31It's something that
34:33doesn't fail.
34:35It doesn't fail because
34:37if the child leaves the trail
34:39in the time it was searched for,
34:41if they tell me it would have taken 48 hours,
34:43well, but in less than 24 hours
34:45the dogs were here.
34:47The trace was recent.
34:49That's why, unfortunately,
34:51I have to say, they didn't find it.
34:53They didn't find it.
34:55And I was able to interview one of those
34:57who had to do that radio
34:59and he told me, no, no, it's all negative.
35:01The dog's trail, unfortunately,
35:03is negative.
35:05He told me, of those who search alive
35:07and those who search dead, it's also negative,
35:09fortunately, so far.
35:11What's not negative are the trucks.
35:13It's the only positive so far
35:15and the kidnapping of six cell phones.
35:17Three vehicles.
35:19It's 11 and a quarter in the morning.
35:21As you can imagine, it's very special.
35:23We are working with Alejandro
35:25there in the place, with Gustavo
35:27and with all the colleagues here.
35:29Let's make a summary.
35:31Saturday at three in the afternoon,
35:33Elian disappears.
35:35His parents go to bed.
35:37The family goes to bed.
35:39There, all traces are lost.
35:41There is only one hypothesis
35:43corroborated by a witness.
35:45There are no images because
35:47there are no cameras in the area.
35:49He entered at that time.
35:51Period. There is no more.
35:53Three vehicles were kidnapped
35:55and six cell phone devices.
35:57These devices are being checked.
35:59And it has been traced
36:01by this that you are seeing there
36:03where the red dot is.
36:05Ballesterosud,
36:07about six kilometers from Ballesteros.
36:09Approximately how far
36:11from Belville is Alejandro?
36:15And we are about
36:17ten or twelve kilometers
36:19exactly from Belville.
36:21Also depending on the route
36:23it can be a little more or a little less.
36:25Depending on where you want to go.
36:31The temperature has just risen
36:33in a delirious way.
36:35We are at this time
36:37subsisting the temperature.
36:39I'm not going to lie to you.
36:41It costs even to breathe
36:43being in the sun
36:45where there is no repair.
36:47I say so that we have a notion
36:49what it was doing.
36:51Ten degrees more than this temperature
36:53when the child disappears
36:55and on top of that he was without clothes.
36:57And with the sun even more,
36:59more powerful
37:01because it was three in the afternoon.
37:03Today we are at 11 and 17 in the morning.
37:05For me there are two key data.
37:07The first, as Ale well marked,
37:09the record of the dogs,
37:11of the dogs,
37:13as soon as he leaves the house.
37:15And the second, I insist,
37:17I do not know how to evaluate it
37:19because I am a city bug.
37:21Now, if you ask me,
37:23some of us,
37:25I ask the whole panel,
37:27would it take three hours
37:29to call the police
37:31if you do not find your son?
37:33But putting me in that place,
37:35I do not know.
37:37We have a resource of being citizens,
37:39worried about any situation
37:41and in the face of doubt
37:43we take action.
37:45Here it is a family
37:47who is used to living in that place
37:49with more precarious resources.
37:51I do not know about the economy.
37:53At three and a quarter,
37:55the minister said,
37:57they go to sleep.
37:59At 16.30 they get up and do not find him.
38:01And at the call of 19.40.
38:03I insist, I think that none of those
38:05who are looking at us,
38:07or none of us,
38:09should call the police.
38:11In that place, I doubt
38:13that this is simply a negligence.
38:15Anyone who is looking at this,
38:17has the state on the corner,
38:19in a police station.
38:21These people should not know
38:23what the state is.
38:25That is where they are
38:27and where they appear.
38:29There is no record of civilization nearby.
38:31No, but the 101 is there
38:33and the call was made.
38:35At some point they picked up the phone
38:37and the rural patrol,
38:39as the minister told us,
38:41arrived 35 minutes later.
38:43That is, the rural patrol,
38:45which must be in Ballesteros or Belville,
38:47does not take long to get there.
38:49These are hypotheses
38:51that can have to do
38:53with negligence
38:55and not understanding,
38:57many times, the absolutely different codes
38:59of people who have a life
39:01very different from ours.
39:03With much more tranquility,
39:05with other different times.
39:07Alejandro, I keep thinking
39:09about this meeting
39:11to which the Attorney General of Cordoba
39:13called the Minister of Security
39:15Quinteros, whom you interviewed,
39:17and apart from the family.
39:19There is no news.
39:21You do not see movement there, right?
39:23No, they are still gathered
39:25in the same tent.
39:27There is a total armistice
39:29of the situation,
39:31when trucks continue to enter.
39:33It is very difficult
39:35to bear
39:37the increase considerably,
39:39Luis.
39:41That is why
39:43some tracks have been reduced
39:45just a few minutes ago.
39:47Because it is already difficult,
39:49as the minister said yesterday,
39:51to travel and be in the sun.
39:53There is no repair to the shadow.
39:55Dehydration is
39:57almost, I would say,
39:59immediate,
40:01the feeling of fatigue
40:03and thirst in the body,
40:05which is what allows you almost,
40:07or does not let you almost walk.
40:09The situation is very complicated.
40:11That is why
40:13a large number of tracks have stopped
40:15at this precise moment.
40:17Sure, there it is.
40:19I do not know if we can take,
40:21listen again, because it seems to me
40:23that the minister alluded to him,
40:25to the witness who told you, Alejandro.
40:27You tell me, I will say,
40:29tell me, Alejandro,
40:31who is this witness
40:33who spoke to you?
40:35If we are going to put it on air.
40:37Yes, he is the one who is encouraged,
40:39or the one who takes.
40:41I say encouraged,
40:43because it has happened to me in other cases, Luis,
40:45that no one is encouraged to speak.
40:47Without measuring the consequences,
40:49this neighbor, and here we are talking about
40:51practically alienated from society and evil.