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00:005070 Ti, it's about as fast as a 4080, sometimes a 4080 Super. It costs 50 bucks less
00:07technically than the 4070 Ti. It's not going to be available. The real price is almost $1,000. It's not worth it.
00:15All right, so this is going to be an interesting review today.
00:17I'm not going to actually talk a whole lot about the performance of the card. I got our charts.
00:21We're going to show you that sh**. We're going to give the TLDRs.
00:23We're going to talk about the actual drama that's happening with this card. Not because drama sells,
00:28but because this one is like
00:30just unabashedly
00:33like bad. I don't know how else to explain it.
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01:10I'm going to try and get through the actual performance review within the first five minutes of this video,
01:13and then we're going to talk about everything else. So I'm obviously talking about the
01:17RTX 5070 Ti,
01:19which MSRP embargoes lifted today.
01:23You're going to see a lot of varying
01:26satisfaction amongst reviewers when it comes to this card, because there are, depending on who you ask,
01:31there are two very different prices associated with this card. We will finish with that.
01:36We are going to just get to the nuts and bolts, and then the facts, which are the nuts and bolts, and the performance, and
01:41then we'll talk about everything else, because all that performance means nothing until you correlate price.
01:46Price is the third
01:48triangulation data point that makes any of those other numbers matter. For instance, if it had crap performance, and it gave you mediocre,
01:55you know, gaming in 1080p or whatever, and it cost 20 bucks.
02:00Okay, that's a good value if it gave you gaming performance at 20 bucks. If it gives you okay performance at $1,000,
02:07that's a whole different story. Spoiler alert,
02:09these 5070 Ti's are costing a grand. Moving on.
02:13So, I mean, we're gonna talk about performance, power draw, temperature, generational performance, uplift, all the normal outline stuff that I've kind of come
02:19up with while I revamped testing style. Obviously, once again, huge thanks to GN for helping us revamp our lab,
02:24which has literally been going non-stop for a month. So you'll notice that our charts have grown.
02:29They're going to continue to grow.
02:31We're going to go all the way back to 20 series to make sure that we've got as much data
02:34that we can make it relevant for people that are looking to upgrade if they're a generation 2, 3, or 4 old, okay?
02:40So, key specs. It's got 8,960 CUDA cores on the GB203 or Blackwell, obviously.
02:464070 Ti, respectively, has 7,680 CUDA cores, and then 3070 Ti has 6,140 CUDA cores.
02:53So that's the generational uplift that we're talking about. I only did the calculations between 4070 and 5070.
02:58We know 3070 to 4070 is like 80% across the board. Once NVIDIA got back on TSMC and off the 8nm
03:06process that Samsung had,
03:08performance came up quite a bit.
03:10RT cores are running on the 4th gen RT core.
03:13There's 70 of them. 60 RT cores, which are 3rd gen, found in the 4070 Ti, and
03:1748 RT cores found in the 3070 Ti,
03:20which are 2nd gen. So any of our tests that use RT, that's where you'll see the newer cards really kind of shine,
03:27specifically because there's more RT cores, and they're faster, smarter, can do the math quicker RT cores.
03:33So that's how that works. Tensor cores, again,
03:36there's more of them. 280 in the 5070 Ti, which are 5th gen tensor cores versus 4th gen
03:42240 cores found in the 4070 Ti, and 192 of them found in the 3070 Ti, which are 3rd gen cores.
03:4816 gigabytes of GDDR7. No GDDR7X this time around, which is kind of interesting. Almost every family
03:54launch has had X. I'd expected it on the 5090 and 5080. Didn't exist. So maybe there is no X variant this time around.
04:02Apparently X not gonna give it to you.
04:05256-bit bus, PCIe Gen 5 obviously, for an effective
04:09896 gigabytes per second of bandwidth. Base clock 2300, boost clock 2452. I didn't do a frequency chart on this one.
04:17It boosts right up to about
04:202800 megahertz, depending on the model. Keep in mind, this is the Asus Prime, supposed to be an MSRP model.
04:26It's not. No matter what Nvidia or anyone says, it's not an MSRP model.
04:31We'll talk about that today.
04:33There is no Founder's Edition card for this particular
04:3770 Ti. There was also not a Founder's Edition card for the 4070 Ti.
04:41There was, however, a Founder's Edition card for the 30 series cards. So you're gonna see a
04:47good, maybe 2 or 3 percent variance depending on the model that you look at. This is not the OC model.
04:53OC models tend to have anywhere between like 50 to maybe 100 megahertz additional boost clock,
04:59depending on the cooler design.
05:00So you're gonna see a lot of variance,
05:01depending on the models that you're looking at, on how robust the cooler is, what the overall temperatures are, the power limits.
05:07They all have their different kind of secret sauces baked in, based on the AIB that you buy from.
05:13So our tests are run specifically at stock power limit, which is 300 watt TDP and
05:19well, supposed to be on this card. This card actually goes a little higher. We'll talk about that today.
05:22So even though it's a supposed to be like a
05:25reference-ish style, which is what the Prime kind of is now,
05:28you'll notice Prime has been around for ASUS on the motherboard side for a long time, denoting it's more of an entry-level product.
05:34It's now available on the GPU side.
05:37Unfortunately, this is an entry-level product that really wants premium pricing, and we'll talk about that again in a second.
05:42So this probably does have a slightly uplifted
05:47TDP on this. Unfortunately, because the card is sent by Nvidia and not ASUS, I don't have a deck
05:53specifically for this card, so I don't know what its base TDP is supposed to be.
05:57I guess GPU-Z could have probably told me, but I don't care about that.
06:00I care about what's actually being drawn through the cable, which is what we measured. Okay, gaming performance, you know what?
06:04Let's just, we'll put the charts on the screen like we typically do, pause the ones you want to look at.
06:09I can tell you right now, across the board, it even lands just under a 4080,
06:14just above a 4080, and under a 4080 Super, and sometimes beats a 4080 Super. It really is
06:20just mingling with the 4080 crowd,
06:22beating the 4070 Ti Super across the board, as it was expected.
06:26So realistically, it's a 4070 Ti Super Super, or 4070 Ti Super Ti Super, or a 4070
06:34Platinum. I don't know. I don't know what to call it anymore.
06:38Maybe we have a more precious metal now that Nvidia can slide in there, since
06:41they'd like to put four graphics cards now in between a family of graphics cards.
06:45I mean, it does perform right around a 4080, 4080 Super, which at the time was a $1,200 card, or a
06:52$999 card, which never really existed at those prices very often. But the fact that it trades blows with those cards,
06:57it's not anything terrible to write home about. It has a
07:01$749 MSRP, which is $50 less than the 4070 Ti's MSRP of $799,
07:07but we all know those prices are artificial.
07:09They don't truly exist, really, at least not for the last several generations, because supply has significantly
07:16not kept up with demand, and that's by design. Nvidia has intentionally kept
07:21the amount of inventory out in the market, specifically with 40 series low.
07:25They kind of learned from their lesson with 30 series, where they had too much 3090s and 3080s and
07:313080 Ti's in the wild.
07:33So there was a huge overlap of inventory with previous gen with new gen, making new gen not worth really buying.
07:38This time they stopped producing months and months ago on 40 series cards, which means now you're finding, and I looked,
07:444070 Ti's today costing as much as $1,200 on the used market. It is a complete shitshow.
07:51Anyway, moving on, let's talk about the percentage of performance uplift. I started talking about price,
07:56but that's another whole part of this video.
07:59Our average generational uplift across our gaming benchmarks, not the synthetics, is 21.46%.
08:04That's kind of right in the generational uplift
08:08we tend to see, anywhere between 20 to 25 percent.
08:11The thing is, there's a couple of titles on here pulling up that average, because remember, my average is only among seven actual gaming
08:17titles and two synthetics. We don't include the synthetics.
08:21Realistically, it'd be a little lower than that. So for instance, Cyberpunk gave me a 30.1%
08:26uplift in performance, but our Cyberpunk test is specifically running ray tracing medium at 4k. Actually, let me back up. Our previous
08:34generational uplifts we measured at 4k, because they were 80 and 90 tier cards. 70 tier cards,
08:39I tend to sweet spot 1440.
08:41Even though this card is very capable of 4k gaming in most titles, and you can see our titles are like maxed out settings for
08:47the most part, to try and see what the worst case performance would be like for the card.
08:521440p gaming, however, this card can do absolutely no problem.
08:55So my generational uplift percentages are based on 1440, this time not 4k. So 30.1% uplift in 1440,
09:03more than likely due to the improved fourth gen RT cores.
09:08So there's more RT cores.
09:10It's a very heavy RT title, and that's kind of what Cyberpunk is at this point.
09:15It is an RT benchmark for the most part. But S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 gave us a
09:1916.3% uplift, Avatar 16.7%, Horizon Forbidden West 15.8%. So you can see in these tests that are more raster,
09:26we are definitely seeing only about 15 to 16 percent performance uplift generation from 4070 Ti to 5070 Ti.
09:33Borderlands 3, which is a heavy raster test, though, where more CUDA cores the better, no RT or anything in that, 25.6%, and then F1
09:4220.8%. And so, I mean, you can see you've got the 20% in F1,
09:47the 24% in Black Myth, and the 30% in Cyberpunk pulling up that average.
09:51But really, it's more like a sub 20 if we had more titles to test, I think.
09:54That's why guys like Hardware Unboxed that does like, when they do like their 45 titles tested, that gives you a huge
10:01sampling to really figure out what those averages are.
10:04So definitely go check out the Hardware Unboxed, guys, if you haven't. They definitely not go the extra mile,
10:08they go the extra 10 kilometers.
10:10Got to get the measurements correct for them. I don't think they use miles in Australia, but I could be wrong.
10:17Temps, 65 degrees across the board. Aftermarket cooler, as you'd expect, didn't matter if it was Furmark,
10:23didn't matter if it was Cyberpunk, it was 65 degrees.
10:26The FE card, the 3070 Ti actually hits 80, but that's because this card is a little bit
10:31I mean, the 3070 Ti doesn't have the greatest cooler design.
10:35They really erred on the side of
10:38acoustics over thermals and again, stock fan curves. So you can see the
10:423070 Ti is like way up there, even though it is a lower TDP card. Speaking of TDP though,
10:47this is where we started and I did something a little different this time.
10:51I actually took our PMD2 measurement device,
10:53which is an inline power meter that real-time measures the power going through the cable itself.
11:00But I also added
11:02what the software is reporting is being pulled from the PCI Express slot.
11:06If you recall, we have an issue right now with the PMD2 riser,
11:09which is supposed to allow us to measure PCI Express power draw
11:13with the Gen 5 cards. It's giving us a problem even if we switch to Gen 4 on the board.
11:18So I just took the software reading, which to be honest was
11:2220 watts on the 3070, I believe it was, but I just added those to the PMD.
11:27So you're seeing total board power now. There's a difference between graphics power,
11:31which is just what the core is drawing, or total board power, which is what everything is drawing, whether it be fans, lighting,
11:38VRMs, memory, all of that combined. So the total board power
11:43was actually pulling in Furmark over 320 watts at times,
11:48bouncing more or less between
11:49315 and 320.
11:52So as you can see, that is higher than the 300 watt TDP that the card is advertised to be.
11:57Again, could be because the Prime might have a slightly higher
12:00baseline TDP than what reference would be. But since we don't have a reference card or an FE card direct from the manufacturer,
12:08there's gonna probably be some variance in there, again, based on the AIB or AIC that you go with.
12:12Yeah, and also too, that was in 4K, the power draw test. We wanted to load the card up as high as possible.
12:17So again, 4K Furmark or 4K Cyberpunk,
12:21bouncing anywhere. In Cyberpunk, it actually has lower dips.
12:24See, Furmark is a constant, very difficult fuzzy donut to render.
12:29Across the board, it's a much more solid line because it's pegged against that power limiter.
12:33But in the Cyberpunk, depending on what's being rendered on the scene, things that are particularly happening,
12:38there's a lot of variation in a game versus something like a stress test like the fuzzy donut in Furmark.
12:43You'll see it bounce about 25 watts between 300 and 325. Not terrible,
12:48but it is definitely a trend of the 70 series cards getting more power-hungry too, considering the fact that we went from
12:57290 up to 300. And as you can see, it's pulling more than 300 now on this.
13:01Let's go ahead and talk about the elephant in the room. Write your best fat joke down below. I might pin it. Anyway, moving on,
13:09price.
13:13We showed on Twitter,
13:15and I've got a whole price chart on here. We'll talk about this in a second.
13:18We showed on Twitter that Micro Center put up its pricing early and shows an available date of February 20th.
13:25That is the on-shelf date. These review embargoes today that you're seeing on the 19th are
13:31supposed to be for the MSRP models. That means the $750 price point.
13:36However, we put a video up already that's actually gone quite popular
13:41showing a $900 price tag on this exact card.
13:45So I
13:47reached out to folks, folks that are also not allowed to give
13:52official public statements from any company I'm about to mention.
13:57But I can tell you Nvidia specifically sent this card, because remember they don't make a founder's card, because it was an MSRP model.
14:06However, what you're gonna notice today is
14:08there are folks that were sent this card by Asus.
14:12Asus has communicated to their direct-seeded reviewers. We were seeded by Nvidia.
14:19The AIBs can also send their own models out to people if they want.
14:23Typically, the founder's edition card would be the day early launch or the embargo lift or MSRP model,
14:29but it's almost always FE if it exists.
14:30And then every other card that costs more than that has to wait till the next day.
14:35It's the way it's been since 30 series.
14:37This same card sent to other reviewers, not by Nvidia, has to wait till the 20th,
14:42because Asus has communicated it is not an MSRP model.
14:46So to summarize the video I just put live the other day,
14:50that $900 is what Micro Center is showing this pricing is.
14:56Micro Center does not lift the price. Micro Center is one of the few like bastions where you can trust
15:03that they are not going to increase the price.
15:06They sell them at the suggested retail price given to them by the AIBs. In this instance,
15:12it's $899.99 USD. Then I posted that, reached out to Nvidia and said,
15:19WTF bro, we were told this is a $750 card.
15:22We need to know what the price really is. That affects everything regarding our review. And we were told it's a $750 card.
15:29It's a $750 card.
15:30I don't know why Asus and Micro Center are saying anything different.
15:35It's a $750 card. So then Micro Center updated its pricing, I'm assuming through pressure by Nvidia,
15:41because you'll notice that the $750 price is now there with the $899 scratched out.
15:46However, a couple hours later, the scratched out $899 is gone.
15:50Now it just says $749.
15:53But I posted all of this on Twitter showing that the price changed.
15:58None of the other models did. The MSI, the Gigabytes or any of the other cards, they still show $800, $939, $949, $999, $1009.
16:08They all stayed the same except this one card.
16:10So my question was, did Micro Center make a boo-boo? Was the price wrong or whatever?
16:15Then I started getting some anonymous messages and I respect the people that provided me this.
16:22So I'm not going to, they've asked me not to share who they are, I think for obvious reasons, because this is definitely a big pot stir.
16:28They are a reviewer that was sent the card by Asus and all communication stated, not an MSRP card.
16:37So what I think happened, and I firmly believe this now, it was a speculation in my price video that the price sent to Micro Center was the real price.
16:49And the price told to Nvidia was the paper price.
16:54We suspect it was never intended to launch at $750 and by Micro Center putting up the pricing early, let the cat out of the bag.
17:02Normally, this is the kind of thing we reviewers find out after the fact.
17:05We have, when it goes live prior to on-shelf date, we have to take the word of the people we work with.
17:12Those words are becoming less trustworthy because when stuff like this happens, there's three people involved.
17:19Who do we trust? We're talking about Micro Center, we're talking about Asus or the AIB, AIC, any brand.
17:24And that's who we have for this one.
17:25So I don't know what Gigabyte has been communicating or MSI has been communicating or PNY or Gainword or any other brands.
17:31I only have this one to go by and Asus or Nvidia's word.
17:35The one I trust the most out of all three of those is Micro Center.
17:38OK, I firmly believe Micro Center is just showing the price that's being communicated to them by their vendor suppliers.
17:45Nvidia, I have a feeling, was under the assumption this is a $750 card because that's what was sent to them.
17:52It's really a $900 card.
17:54So that actually makes this 20% above MSRP at the $900 price point that is on Micro Center.
18:01But don't forget, it now shows $750.
18:04What we don't know, because I don't have a crystal ball to know the future, is what's going to happen on the 20th.
18:10This video is being filmed, obviously, prior to that.
18:13And I'm curious now if just to appease Nvidia, the price of $750 was communicated to Micro Center, but then on day one, there's going to be a switch flip back to $900.
18:28That also, the amount of unfairity taking place for reviewers as well, where some of us were given this card and told February 19th and others are told February 20th, presumably on the MSRP and not MSRP communications.
18:42We are assuming this card is $900.
18:44That is the most believable thing.
18:47That makes it the most overpriced, ridiculous thing.
18:50There is no one on this planet that should consider buying a 5070 Ti when it encroaches on 4080 Super Pricing.
18:57Unfortunately, 4080 Super Pricing is like $1,500 plus right now.
19:01So you've kind of taken that whole price bracket and just scooched it up a bit.
19:08They stayed separated, but they just, everything's scooched up.
19:11And that's why I talked about in my video, this becoming a rich person's hobby really pisses me off.
19:16So I did a little searching.
19:17I went all the way back to the GTX 470.
19:20So weird to say.
19:21That launched in 2010, 15 years ago.
19:26I have put together a chart and we'll just put this on the screen editing fill and just let it sit on screen while I talk about this real quick.
19:33You will see two colors here.
19:36You will see blue, which is the launch price.
19:39And you will see pink, which is inflated for 2020 or corrected for 2025 inflation.
19:46So we can see and put it in correlation of what it would cost in today's money back then.
19:51Okay.
19:52So for instance, the GTX 470 launched at $349 with a corrected price of $508.
19:58The same year, the 570 launched, it was kind of a late, it was like, it was like early 2010 and then late 2010.
20:03Cause I was actually like the end of the era, technically.
20:07Anyway, the 570 launched at $349 and again, the same corrected price at $508.
20:11It was the same year.
20:12So a whole new tier of card for the same price.
20:14Okay.
20:15Not at $349.
20:16That's where the 70 cards should be.
20:18That's where they belong.
20:19Not the 60 series cards.
20:21That was the gamer card.
20:23This 50, 40, 70, 50, 70, 60, I can't even say it.
20:27470, 570, 670.
20:30We're always like, you know what I'm trying to say if you've been around long enough.
20:34Anyway, the 670 or the Kepler cards launched at $399.
20:38A $50 increase, which a lot of people rolled their eyes at back then going, well, what the hell?
20:42Why the $50 increase?
20:43$552 in today's money that came out in 2012.
20:48The 770 came out at the same price, 400 bucks in 2013, but because of the next year it inflates to $544.
20:57970 came out.
20:58Remember the four gigs means four gigs era?
21:01Hey, it's been a while, right?
21:02Anyway, the 970 3.5 gigabyte card was $329, a $70 drop, which made people go, yay.
21:12But later it was like, oh, well, it's because I fucked up the memory.
21:17But that's $441 in today's money.
21:19And that was in 2014.
21:20In 2016, Pascal, the golden era of graphics happened.
21:25And the TI variants.
21:27So moving forward now, I'm comparing TI pricing because it didn't exist prior to that.
21:30The TI's only existed in the 60 series cards, which was super odd.
21:33But anyway, the 1070 TI launched at $450.
21:39Do you know if this cost $450 today?
21:41Do you know what a different video this would be?
21:45Now, yes, inflation.
21:46Yes, tariffs.
21:47Yes, TSMC price increases across the board year on year.
21:52It's probably impossible for this to ever exist at that price point again.
21:55But could you just imagine, just wrap your mind around that for a moment?
21:57Because also, too, don't be naive and think that the 5070 is going to be the $550 or whatever it's supposed to be.
22:04I forget the price.
22:05Phil can put the actual price on screen.
22:07That's $595 in today's money in 2016.
22:10The RTX 2070 TI came out at $499.
22:15I'd still take this for $500, right?
22:17$499?
22:18Again, that's about the upper limit a lot of people would spend on a graphics card.
22:22But anyway, $631 in today's money.
22:252018 is when that launched.
22:273070 TI, the first card that's actually on our charts, $600.
22:31That was a $100 increase, gen on gen, making it $702 in today's money.
22:37And that was in 2021.
22:39I don't need to explain to you what happened in the 30 series and what was going on in 2021 to know why the pricing got so stupid.
22:45Now, also, too, that was the first time Nvidia had switched fabs.
22:47They went over to Samsung, which they made an OK card, but Samsung really was behind the eight ball or behind the curve on the performance that was expected.
22:57So Nvidia went back to TSMC, launching the 4070 TI in 2023 at $799.
23:04Here's the crazy part.
23:05Enough inflation has happened since 2023 that we have a correction of $833.
23:11That's more than this technically costs in today's money.
23:14But again, this launched today at $750.
23:19But realistically, if we average out the prices that we're seeing on Micro Center's website, it's $950.
23:27So I made this chart.
23:28This is the gamer satisfaction per USD or US dollar per launch year.
23:37This is a troubling trend, as you can see.
23:41This is why I say that this is nothing more than a rich person's hobby.
23:46And that really sucks, because if you if you actually scroll around Reddit or any other PC forums or whatever, there are an awful lot of people saying, I'm just going to get a PS5 Pro and a monitor for cheaper than what one graphics card would cost for PC gaming.
24:04And here's the real reason this is happening.
24:08Nothing I say, nothing Steve says or his apostles, nothing Linus says makes a difference.
24:17We don't change anything.
24:22Do you know why?
24:23This is not where NVIDIA makes its money anymore.
24:26It's all AI.
24:28And all you need to look at is just since 2010, when I showed you these GPU price inflations and price changes, look at the stock.
24:38And do you know who NVIDIA is interested in appeasing?
24:41It's those people who own that stock.
24:44So, yes, NVIDIA took a big hit when Deep Seek came out, but it rebounded.
24:49It's on the rebound and going back up.
24:51And I'm kind of kicking my ass that I didn't buy it when it was down quite a bit.
24:54But that's also because I don't play the stocks.
24:57It's just way too volatile.
24:58So the 5070 Ti, in a nutshell, 5070 Ti, it's about as fast as a 4080, sometimes a 4080 Super.
25:06It costs 50 bucks less technically than the 4070 Ti.
25:11It's not going to be available.
25:13The real price is almost a thousand dollars.
25:15It's not worth it.
25:16So anyway, to just sort of conclude here, I just can't imagine, I guess I have to, it's happening, a 70 series card, whether it's a Ti or not, costing nearly a thousand dollars.
25:33The Ti models used to be 50 to 100 dollars more, maybe.
25:36Like if I had the non-Ti versions on there from Pascal forward, you would see about a 50 to 100 dollar difference depending on the model.
25:42It's out of control.
25:44It's out of control.
25:45NVIDIA is not for the gamer anymore.
25:47They are for AI profit.
25:50All of this with AI is the house that GeForce built.
25:54GeForce enabled AI to reach the masses.
25:58And now AI is coming home to GeForce.
26:02And these are just the bones that were being thrown.
26:06So I would also say, hey, 9070 and 9070 XT are coming, NVIDIA or AMD, BSA.
26:13But you know what?
26:13They've had so many opportunities to be the hero in this, but they're a sheep.
26:19They're following NVIDIA's pathway.
26:22They're not going against the grain.
26:25So I have no hope for that either.
26:275070 is coming if NVIDIA decides to seed me, but if they don't, I really don't give a fuck.