El juez de la causa Wanda Nara - Mauro Icardi enfrenta un pedido de recusación tras ser criticado por sus decisiones y métodos en un caso que involucra a las hijas que tienen en común. La situación ha generado debate sobre la imparcialidad del juez y su elección de lugares para audiencias, mientras se cuestiona la influencia de figuras públicas en el proceso judicial.
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00:00Here we are very curious about what is happening with the judge.
00:04Yes, I am listening.
00:06Has the judge refused it? How is this situation?
00:10Yes, but we are going to order a lot of questions.
00:14On the one hand, what the judge did was listen to the minors in the area where the judge considers pertinent,
00:20which is where they were, which is in the house, and the judge can perfectly choose the place where he does it.
00:27He listens to that of the children, unlike what they vaguely hold,
00:31they hold it imprecisely, and they hold it in a way that insults the judge and those who were there.
00:41But is it normal, Elvita?
00:43No, but let me finish the idea.
00:45I don't understand, I've never seen a person like that. Is it normal for him to come to your house?
00:50The judge can go anywhere, the judge goes to a school, he goes to a house, he can go to a hospital.
00:56The number of times you have judges going to hospitals, the most common thing is a family judge.
01:02The judge chooses the place where he considers it better to listen to them.
01:06What is not normal is that he listens to the children in a desk,
01:11as Wanda did in her presence and with Pajarola.
01:16So if we are going to talk about how it is to listen to a child or two girls in this case,
01:22this is how Dr. Agopian did it.
01:24Choosing the place that he considered was with the social worker,
01:28or the social worker, the truth is that I don't remember it,
01:31and there was the minor defender.
01:33That is, all the requirements were met.
01:35And Cardi was not with the girls at the time of the talk,
01:40because the talk was private from the judge.
01:43We are talking about professional people, both the judge, the social worker,
01:48as well as the minor defender, who have more than 35 years of experience and antiquity.
01:53And to stain the trajectory by vaguely saying that it is not fulfilled,
02:01that there is an institutional seriousness,
02:03that this hearing of the creatures was on December 21, and this is being argued now.
02:09That is, if it had been a cause of rejection, they would have raised it instantly.
02:14And now, I understand your arguments.
02:17What they don't like are the resolutions.
02:19But then why did they separate the judge now?
02:21That is the point. They didn't separate him.
02:23They didn't separate him.
02:24Let's go by parts.
02:25What the rejection generates is the immediate effect that the judge takes the rejection
02:31at that point in which the chamber resolves,
02:35that the chamber is going to resolve the judge's situation,
02:38if there are reasons or not for the rejection,
02:40which I already tell you that there are not,
02:43a new judge is drawn.
02:45Obviously, we are talking about the fact that,
02:47unlike what Ms. Nara and her literary assistance hold,
02:52the judge was extremely expeditious and a new judge was drawn.
02:56And I heard Franco there, who said, indeed, it was Judge No. 85,
03:01who will have to accept or not the competition.
03:04But the issue of the rejection, the issue of the rejection,
03:08will be resolved by the chamber.
03:10What is going to be resolved by the chamber?
03:12The articles that establish, the articles, the assumptions that establish
03:16the rejection of a judge with a cause are very limited.
03:21Why? Because if it doesn't happen, not a forum shopping,
03:24which has already happened 20 times with Ms. Nara and her lawyers,
03:29but a trial shopping would also happen.
03:32You don't like the resolution of this trial and you go to another one.
03:35It's not like that. It doesn't work like that.
03:38Here there is a judge who is natural.
03:40The judge, well, I'll tell you what's going to happen.
03:44No, no, no, there are many questions right now that we have,
03:46because there is a lot of information going around
03:48and it's great to clean up what is and what is not.
03:50This is bad procedural faith.
03:54Here it seems to me, sorry, here it seems to me...
03:56Bad procedural faith.
03:58Here it seems to me that the point...
03:59And this is going to be sanctioned.
04:01Here it seems to me that the point regarding this,
04:03that we said the judge, regarding the judge,
04:06for me it goes beyond if it is Saturday at 9,
04:09if it is at 10, if it is in a hospital, in a house,
04:12is if he can do it by crossing General Paz.
04:15He has to ask for an exon.
04:16He can do it wherever he wants.
04:17That seems to me to be the point.
04:18No, no, I don't know if he can do it wherever he wants,
04:20because he has a seat in the city of Buenos Aires.
04:22No, no, no.
04:23But no, no, no.
04:24The judge can go perfectly to the place where the girls are.
04:27I'm not so sure.
04:28That has nothing to do with it.
04:29Yes, there is a Convention on the Rights of the Child.
04:32Excuse me.
04:33Martin, I have a question.
04:35I have a question.
04:36I have a question.
04:37Do you remember the famous complaint that was left out of nowhere,
04:41of course, right?
04:42Obviously.
04:43In which Nara says that the girls didn't want to be with Mauro
04:47and so on and so forth.
04:49And that she points out that the girls were heard in a desk
04:53in the presence of the mother and in the presence of her lettered assistance.
04:58Do you think that's okay?
05:00But we can discuss that.
05:02Do you think that's okay?
05:03But wait, because you're answering me with something else.
05:05What I'm saying is...
05:06I'm answering you on how the hearing of the minor works.
05:09The judge decides where he hears her.
05:11The judge can hear her wherever he wants.
05:14There is at least something that is not natural,
05:17that the judge, who has a seat in the city of Buenos Aires,
05:19goes to hear a child, a tiger, which is in the province of Buenos Aires.
05:23At his home.
05:24At his home.
05:25At least it's controversial.
05:26But it's at his home.
05:27At least it's controversial.
05:28It's not controversial.
05:29No, Martin.
05:31Martin.
05:33Martin, it's at his home.
05:35It's at his home.
05:53That's why I say, when you talk about bad procedural faith,
05:57let's say, it's a procedural strategy.
06:00No, no, no.
06:01It's bad procedural faith.
06:02No, but wait.
06:03It's bad procedural faith.
06:04No, Mauricio.
06:05I don't agree.
06:06The logic is like this.
06:07I have a question for you.
06:08You are a judge.
06:09We go through parts.
06:10No.
06:11But wait.
06:12No.
06:13No, no, no, Mauricio.
06:14No.
06:15We go through parts.
06:16No, I'm talking about a principle.
06:17If you grew up.
06:18I'm talking about a principle.
06:19How is it?
06:20You are appointed judge.
06:21But I have a question for you.
06:22When you are a judge.
06:23Yes, but I have a question for you.
06:24Let me finish this principle to understand each other.
06:26You are a judge.
06:27Yes.
06:28You are a judge of the Argentine Republic.
06:29Of the Argentine Republic.
06:30Okay, but you are talking about...
06:31Wait, wait.
06:32Then, the jurisdiction.
06:33Put me second, Mauricio.
06:34The jurisdiction and the competition.
06:35Put me second.
06:36I'm explaining how they teach it in college.
06:37You are a judge in all of Argentina.
06:38The jurisdiction and the competition limit you in the place where you can act.
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22:14Very well, we return with Elvita, we start this program with a last moment, the possibility of the rejection of the judge who has this case, the one of Wanda Gate, Elvita was asking you, now I go with you Franco, Elvita was asking you for the possibility of him returning to Turkey officially, I say, to play football.
22:30To students, to students that Mauro returns, I tell him that the 9 has it.
22:35You are trying to convince him for that, look, Elvita has a double function here.
22:40Can that happen?
22:42There are possibilities, for example.
22:44We make a welcome party for all students, they also share the lions, because Galatasaray is a lion, so we also share the lions.
22:58At one point you even talked about River, when he left with Wanda, in fact, the photo with the monument behind.
23:04But could that happen, that he plays here in Argentina, for example, or is he going back to Turkey? What plans does he have?
23:10No, the first thing he has to do is rehabilitate himself.
23:13The knee is very important for a football player, especially an elite player like Mauro.
23:22So the first thing he has to do is rehabilitate himself, and he has a current contract.
23:26So it is not a topic that we are currently getting into because there is still a little time to rehabilitate.
23:32But the rehabilitation is going to be here in Argentina or is he going to have to travel to Turkey?
23:39We haven't talked about that yet, I don't want to tell you one thing or another.
23:43He is being rehabilitated, sorry doctor.
23:45Yes, he is rehabilitated every day.
23:47No, no, no, every day. You think it's his work tool.
23:51Yes.
23:52It is absolutely his work tool. Yes, he is rehabilitated every day.
23:56In fact, it was said that the Chinese did not want to go to Turkey, they wanted to go to Italy.
24:00And that Mauro was listening to proposals from Italian football and that also Dino Stumione had called him to play for Atlético de Madrid.
24:08But listen, Elvita, please.
24:11Yes, I heard you.
24:12So that this man stops managing his life for women.
24:16This salami is jumping from country to country according to what women tell him.
24:20It is good that a hair pulls more than a joint of oxen.
24:23But it can't be that this man is like that.
24:26Controlled and dominated, it is a shame.
24:28You are independent.
24:30This guy is bad for the male gender.
24:32Yes, yes, he is very bad.
24:34I go back to the request for recusation.
24:36Poor male gender.
24:38Exactly.
24:40Don't worry, Elva.
24:42I go back to the request for recusation.
24:44Because I think this is important.
24:46In the request for recusation of Judge Adriana Gopián.
24:50Journalistic publications, Elva says, are mentioned in the request for recusation.
24:55Journalistic publications in media that suggest a previous relationship between Judge Adriana Gopián and the lawyer of Mauro Icardi.
25:04Which reinforces the fear of partiality.
25:06What journalistic publications does she refer to?
25:09Yes, I saw it.
25:11I still love it because it was changing.
25:13First it was a supposed friendship with Guadalupe.
25:18Then she said, now it's a friendship with me.
25:21The truth is that neither Guadalupe, nor I, nor Lara, and I'm going to make it clear,
25:25never in life did we have a coffee with Dr. Gopián.
25:28I don't know if we have crossed paths in any congress.
25:32Which would have been the most normal thing in the world, that we had crossed paths in a congress.
25:36But I don't remember.
25:42But I'm telling you that neither of the three of us have the phone.
25:47I mean, what are they talking about?
25:49That's why they're saying, they put reputation at stake.
25:53The reputation of people with a single interest, which is, they don't like resolutions.
25:59So they put the reputation of the person at stake,
26:02as if the reputation of the people didn't have any kind of value.
26:06And it's not like that.
26:08That's why I say that this is a bad processional faith.
26:13I'm going to be honest with you.
26:15It would have been quite simple.
26:17There is no question.
26:19Let's agree.
26:20Here they can tell you, Mauricio,
26:23they can tell you, all of us who are drenched in family matters,
26:27we don't have financial problems.
26:29I mean, I'll explain.
26:31In 90% of family cases, there are financial problems.
26:36Here, there are no financial problems.
26:38There is no lack of love.
26:41Because there is love.
26:42We have a very present father.
26:44A mother who, with her issues, but she also is.
26:47I mean, they are issues that can be discussed from the dialogue of the right of the family.
26:55No, no, I'm just saying...
26:57No, no, no, no, no, no.
26:59I'm just saying that it's hard for me to talk about Mauro.
27:02Of course, I'm just saying that it's hard for me to talk about Mauro.
27:05I can't talk about Iguanda.
27:06And the last thing I would do is to be talking about...
27:08No, no, I can't be talking about Mauricio.
27:11There are no financial problems.
27:13They both feel unconditional love for their daughters.
27:16Of course, exactly, exactly.
27:19So why can't we be talking as God commands?
27:24Why?
27:25As God commands in family matters.
27:26And why?
27:27To talk about it.
27:28Because we need privacy.
27:30We need dialogue.
27:32We need construction.
27:34We need to get the property of the creatures.
27:38The girls are not the property of Mrs. Nara.
27:41But Doctor, I'm sorry.
27:43Did you see the publications on the weekend of Icardi and China Suarez?
27:46I mean, the picture of the hamburger.
27:48I'm fine with privacy and everything,
27:50but China in an inflatable hamburger,
27:52Icardi telling her he loved her,
27:54songs by Horacio Guarani.
27:56I mean, both of them are in the show.
27:58That's violent.
27:59Yes, anyway...
28:01I think it's hot.
28:02Horacio Guarani, what do you say?
28:04Let's go here...
28:06I'm going to be honest, I can't follow all the networks,
28:10because it would be absolutely inappropriate.
28:12We are both.
28:14That's what I mean.
28:15You know what?
28:16You know what?
28:17I'm going to be honest, Guido.
28:18I'm a little tired that when you say the two parts.
28:21Because the two parts, I can understand the concept of the two parts.
28:25Let's talk about percentages.
28:26Yes.
28:27Let's talk about percentages.
28:28In any case, you know what I'm telling you?
28:30A portion could have Mauro.
28:33And it's a moment when you kick a person who reacts so much.
28:36Excuse me, but it's like that.
28:38It's human.
28:39What are you going to ask him?
28:40That he has been provoked so much,
28:41that he has been provoked so much,
28:42that he never reacts so much.
28:44He is a human being.
28:46So when you are talking about...
28:48They are the same.
28:49They are the same provocateurs.
28:50No, no, no.
28:52The flirting is on one side, and on the other.
28:54When one flirts with one, the other flirts with him.
28:56They are the same.
28:57But the one who posted the chats,
28:59the one who posted the chats about food,
29:02food and intimacy,
29:05yes, yes.
29:06Silva.
29:07All that was Wanda, it wasn't Mauro.
29:09Wanda.
29:10Wanda, now, with the hamburger.
29:12She put a picture of a hamburger here on the pin.
29:14He's taking sunbaths in the morning.
29:18There's no milk, there's water.
29:19It could be a diaper too, we don't know.
29:21They told me it's a mustard commercial.
29:24Anyway...
29:25Cover it up.
29:26I wanted to ask you a question.
29:28To get back to the topic.
29:30I don't see the photo.
29:32I'm looking here at your colleagues who are working.
29:36When was the last time you spoke with Icardi and his daughters?
29:41It's been a long time.
29:42If that's what I'm telling you,
29:43Mrs. Nara should cut her communications.
29:46No, no, no.
29:48Later, later.
29:49They didn't speak last night, as Wanda's defense says.
29:51They didn't speak last night.
29:54Last night?
29:55Yes, last night.
29:56I don't sleep with Mauro,
29:57so I can't tell you the truth about last night.
29:59No, wait, wait, wait, wait.
30:01Nobody says you slept with Wanda.
30:03Sorry, with Mauro.
30:04No, no, no.
30:05Nothing else.
30:06Last night I can't tell you.
30:08Well, then...
30:09Last night...
30:10I don't want to tell you anything.
30:12But Wanda sent...
30:13But wait, because we were just saying that it's been a long time,
30:16and we don't know if they spoke last night.
30:18Yes, but...
30:19In fact, there's a call from the first phone.
30:22It's the girls' phone.
30:23That's why we can't show it to you.
30:24Of course, it's fine, it's fine.
30:25I don't want to show it.
30:26But there's a one-hour call.
30:27No, no, no.
30:28Yes, and you're watching it here, right?
30:29Yes.
30:3021 to 29.
30:31Yes, without answer.
30:32If they spoke last night,
30:33if they spoke last night,
30:34it would have been the first communication.
30:35One hour of call,
30:36and then a call without answer.
30:37It would have been the first communication for days.
30:39It would have been the first communication for long days.
30:42Anyway, I'll check it for you.
30:44Let's see, you're never going to find me
30:46someone saying one thing for another.
30:48That's why I was asking you.
30:49I'm telling you the precise information.
30:51That's why I was asking you.
30:52I'm telling you the absolutely precise information.
30:54To us, one of the main points,
30:57one of the main points,
30:59that February 19th is Mauro's birthday too,
31:01and the girls who should have been there since...
31:05That the girls who should have been there
31:07from January 1st to January 15th,
31:09that this second half of February
31:11they had to be with their dad,
31:12the girls, since January 6th,
31:14that they're not with their dad.
31:16His birthday passed,
31:18Izzy's birthday passed,
31:20it's going to be Mauro's birthday now,
31:23and that the girls...
31:25Here, look, the call...
31:28There's a call at 21 and 10
31:31from one of the girls,
31:32who doesn't have an answer,
31:33but at 21 and 29,
31:35a call comes in,
31:36they talk for an hour,
31:37then at 23 and 40,
31:39they call again,
31:40and the calls are unanswered,
31:42and then there's a message,
31:43I read it,
31:44the message doesn't say anything,
31:45towards Mauro,
31:47from Wanda in this case,
31:49that says,
31:50tomorrow is your birthday.
31:51Are you going to do something?
31:52Do you want me to take the girls?
31:54Let me know.
31:55No, to the boys, it says.
31:56Let me know.
31:57The girls are 15 days in a row.
31:59I don't know who...
32:00What does it say?
32:01The boys?
32:02The girls are 15 days in a row.
32:04They don't want to stay.
32:05It's too long for them.
32:06But let's organize
32:07how you can be with your children.
32:09I mean...
32:10Why don't you instruct your lawyer
32:12to get in touch with us
32:15so we can establish...
32:16For the good of the five girls.
32:18So we can establish the reintegration.
32:19Because that,
32:20what it's saying...
32:21Sure, no,
32:22but what it's saying by message
32:23is not what the resolutions say,
32:25and it's not what it does either.
32:26I understand.
32:27And if we go to the note
32:28that Lam gave,
32:29well, I'll mention another program,
32:31but it's from the same channel.
32:32And if we go to the note
32:33that Lam gave last Friday,
32:35he said emphatically,
32:37in the same way
32:38that they also let us know,
32:40that he was not going to deliver,
32:43to reintegrate the girls.
32:45And what he's doing
32:47is just that,
32:49not to reintegrate the girls.
32:50So you're saying
32:51there's a media speech...
32:52Those messages are for the court.
32:53And there's another legal speech,
32:55right?
32:56For the court.
32:57For the court.
32:58This message is to present
32:59in a file saying,
33:00how good I am,
33:01I want to reintegrate the girls
33:03for the birthday.
33:04Yes, Mauro, answer,
33:05I don't answer,
33:06whatever.
33:07You have to reintegrate them.
33:08What's incredible is that
33:09she talks about the girls.
33:10You have to reintegrate them.
33:11No, what I say is incredible.
33:12Of the five, it's perfect, right?
33:13Of the five boys, it's perfect.
33:14Yes, that's also what
33:15calls my attention,
33:16not the thing about the girls,
33:17let's say.
33:18But what she says,
33:19Elba,
33:20is that she,
33:21with all the difficulties
33:22and the problems
33:23that Icardi attributes to her
33:24and Parabel to the girls,
33:25offers her
33:26that the boys go,
33:27that they are not
33:28Icardi's biological children,
33:29I mean,
33:30she says,
33:31no, but I say,
33:32what difference does it make
33:33if Icardi is a bad person
33:34with the girls,
33:35to come with the boys
33:36who are not even his?
33:37Of course,
33:38this is the China Suarez here,
33:39Mauro.
33:40Exactly.
33:41I don't think
33:42that she puts in terms
33:43that Mauro is a bad person
33:44with the boys.
33:45All the time giving account
33:46of child abuse
33:47by adults.
33:48Sorry,
33:49this is underrated,
33:50sorry,
33:51I apologize,
33:52but it seems to me
33:53unspeakable.
33:54It seems unspeakable to me
33:55to say again
33:56that we are all the time
33:57going back
33:58on child abuse
33:59by adults.
34:00And adults here,
34:01yes,
34:02I include everyone
34:03who does what they want
34:04with those minors
34:05on social networks
34:06and in many cases
34:07also in the traditional
34:08media.
34:09And I'm going to add something
34:10to you,
34:11and I'm going to add something to you,
34:12Franco,
34:13because you know my position
34:14a lot in relation
34:15to the exhibition
34:16of the creatures.
34:17I'm going to add something to you.
34:18Yes.
34:19On the weekend
34:20a video was uploaded
34:21on TikTok
34:22of one of the girls
34:23with another,
34:24with a girl,
34:25doing a choreography
34:26of a song
34:27by Liam.
34:28Yes.
34:29The boys
34:30have to be protected.
34:31The boys are not
34:32in a situation
34:33that they are living
34:34today,
34:35currently.
34:36They are not
34:37to upload videos
34:38of TikTok
34:39doing choreographies.
34:40Where was
34:41the authorization
34:42of the father
34:43to do it?
34:44Of course it was not.
34:45It must have been
34:46the mother's.
34:47But the father exists.
34:48There is a regime,
34:49there is a care
34:50that is shared,
34:51which was dictated
34:52on December 27
34:53and it is not
34:54respected
34:55either
34:56in the father figure
34:57and it is not
34:58respected
34:59to protect
35:00these girls
35:01and the boys
35:02in general.
35:03I have a question.
35:04Sorry.
35:05Who monetizes
35:06those videos
35:07of TikTok,
35:08for example?
35:09Because the money
35:10will stop somewhere.
35:11There are millions
35:12of reproductions.
35:13There it exceeds.
35:14You are talking
35:15about millions
35:16of reproductions
35:17that on top of that,
35:18look at the
35:19Machiavellian
35:20of everything,
35:21that on top of that,
35:22as the girls
35:23in general,
35:24you understand me,
35:25is that you attract
35:26more attractive
35:27and it's a girl.
35:28But it's a girl.
35:29I think so.
35:30But there is already
35:31a prohibition.
35:32Yes, of course.
35:33It is that there is
35:34a prohibition.
35:35There is already
35:36a prohibition.
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36:37Santiago,
36:38you have exclusive information.
36:39I have a part
36:40of this famous document
36:41SIF
36:42to Mauro Icardi
36:43who is the one
36:44we were talking about
36:45just now
36:46that obviously
36:47the doctor
36:48can not make reference
36:49but it says in a fragment
36:50of the SIF
36:51that there is a situation
36:52of gender violence
36:53of long-term
36:54and psychological abuse
36:55both to Mrs. Nara
36:56and to her children
36:57by Mr. Icardi.
36:58For what has been previously
36:59exposed
37:00it is suggested
37:01and that is when
37:02we talk about the prohibition
37:03of approach
37:04and contact
37:05between Mr. Icardi
37:06and Mrs. Nara
37:07in order to avoid
37:08situations of conflict.
37:09But what is that based on
37:10to define it?
37:11That is part
37:12of the SIF
37:13that is in page 63.
37:14Sure,
37:15but that,
37:16look,
37:17I'm going to pass you
37:18I do not want to get
37:19into the reports
37:20because it does not correspond.
37:21But let's go
37:22and I remember
37:23that we even
37:24talked about this
37:25in the program.
37:26When these interviews
37:27are done
37:28with the psychologist,
37:29the psychiatrist
37:30and the assistant
37:31and the social worker,
37:32what they take
37:33is the story
37:34of the person.
37:35They take a photograph
37:36of the story
37:37of the person.
37:38Of the person,
37:39in this case,
37:40it had been of Nara.
37:41That is,
37:42they do not take
37:43a photograph
37:44of the person
37:45but they take
37:46a picture
37:47of the person
37:48and they do not take
37:49by the sheets,
37:50I tell you,
37:51that is,
37:52they do not take
37:53the story of the other person
37:54and they do not make
37:55an integral assessment.
37:56You are not talking
37:57about a psychological assessment,
37:58you are talking
37:59about what they take
38:00from the story
38:01of the person.
38:02That's why,
38:03that's why,
38:04well,
38:05that is to say,
38:06this is important,
38:07of course,
38:08but it is relative.
38:09It is not a psychological
38:10examination,
38:11it is not an examination.
38:12Thank you,
38:13thank you,
38:14exactly,
38:15it is not an examination.
38:16It is an interview.
38:17It is not an interview
38:18with a recording,
38:19but it is a ...
38:20It takes a story,
38:21it takes a narration
38:22that the person does,
38:23who is sitting,
38:24who in this case
38:25is Nara,
38:26and that is what
38:27the professionals
38:28take from the story.
38:29It is not a psychological
38:30examination.
38:31I understand.
38:32Next.
38:33Doctor,
38:34to ask you
38:35about the role
38:36of China Suarez
38:37in all this.
38:38The same,
38:39forgive me,
38:40I'm going to tell you
38:41one thing.
38:42After that report,
38:43Mrs. Nara herself,
38:44in an interview
38:45she gave
38:46to a mobile phone
38:47to Oliver Quiroz,
38:48if my memory does not fail me,
38:49she said
38:50that Mauro
38:51had not been violent
38:52with her
38:53and that there had been
38:54no violence.
38:55I return you to Eugenia.
38:56Yes,
38:57she said there was no
38:58physical violence,
38:59that was,
39:00because she spoke
39:01about another type
39:02of violence.
39:03No,
39:04no,
39:05no,
39:06no,
39:07she said there was no
39:08violence and that
39:09that's why she was going
39:10to the house
39:11and that's why
39:12she was going
39:13perfectly.
39:14Do you remember
39:15what she said?
39:16After that she regretted
39:17what she said.
39:18No, no,
39:19to differentiate
39:20the media,
39:21to differentiate
39:22the media
39:23from the judiciary.
39:24In Tigres,
39:25in the
39:26Petrucci case,
39:27in Dr. Petrucci's
39:28case,
39:29yes,
39:30there she said,
39:31in fact,
39:32we read here
39:33that there she said
39:34that there was
39:35gender violence.
39:36There she declared it.
39:37Yes,
39:38okay,
39:39but I come back
39:40with the same thing.
39:41Here all this
39:42will lead to something
39:43that is very serious
39:44Remember all this, take note of what I say.
39:47A law that works for gender violence and for real cases of gender violence
39:52is going to end up modifying itself, and that has data that endorse it,
39:57has numbers that endorse it, is going to end up modifying itself
40:00because of the number of false complaints there are.
40:02But doctor, what are you trying to understand?
40:04And this is going to happen.
40:05Are you trying to understand that in some way they are convincing Wanda
40:08or inciting her to denounce violence for something in particular?
40:12I'll tell you, let's see, I don't want to derive you from a topic,
40:16I don't want to be deriving you from a topic, but let's go by parts.
40:20When you, when the system of denunciation of gender violence
40:24works cautiously with the mere denunciation of the victim,
40:27the person, the woman denounces and certain measures are activated
40:31and an inaudible part that means, of course,
40:33exactly what it means without listening to the other person.
40:36All this is validated by numbers and statistics.
40:39That is to say, the law has a support,
40:41but the issue is made for the true victims of gender violence,
40:45not so that an entire judicial system designed for victims is activated
40:51and not for what false complaints are.
40:55This regime is going to end up being modified
40:58by the number of false complaints that are observed.
41:01There are more real complaints than false ones.
41:03Well, the numbers, exactly, exactly, that's true.
41:08It's true, it's true, but it's not the case.
41:11No, no, that's why I'm talking about the numbers.
41:13The numbers endorse the existence of the law.
41:16No, what happens, to argue in this sense, Elba,
41:19is that if a reference, because we like it or not,
41:22like Wanda Nara activates a false complaint,
41:26this, at this ideological moment in this country,
41:30is infinitely more drastic.
41:32Exactly, exactly, exactly.
41:36If Wanda Nara, with zero sorority and zero disinterest
41:41because of the number of women who are bloodied
41:44and absolutely abused in this country,
41:47contributes, just because of a problem,
41:49badly processed with another woman like Eugenia Suárez,
41:52to carry out a false complaint,
41:54it is doing a terrible favor to the true victims.
41:58Exactly, and let's not forget,
42:00going to the catalog of false complaints of Mrs. Nara,
42:04when she filed a false complaint in Santa Bárbara
42:08to exclude Mauro from surgery
42:10just because he wanted to celebrate his birthday.
42:12So, and there it was, at 3 in the morning,
42:15the police would have to be assisting
42:18the true victims of violence
42:20to get Mauro out of Santa Bárbara.
42:23And on Monday, Wanda was celebrating his birthday.
42:28I think that's the last message we just read from Wanda to Mauro,
42:32referring to his birthday.
42:34I think it gives the feeling of a predisposition to return them.
42:38Maybe it's time to return them today.
42:40Now I'm with you, Guido.