John Zannis and Taylor Kyles bring you a LIVE reaction to the Super Bowl. Plus, with multiple stars around the league reportedly available for trade, who should the Patriots target?
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00:00It's a Patriots postgame show, sort of.
00:18It's a postgame show.
00:19John Zanis, Taylor Kyles here.
00:20The Super Bowl is in the books and a dominant performance by the Philadelphia Eagles, which
00:27I'm sure shocked a lot of people.
00:30We'll talk about it.
00:31I, you know, I think Taylor felt this way too, maybe was afraid to trot that prediction
00:35out there.
00:36I felt pretty good about the Eagles being able to dominate the line of scrimmage, which
00:39they did.
00:41And you know, they're just, it was too much for, too much for Mahomes.
00:45It was a little bit reminiscent of that Tampa Bay Super Bowl loss here.
00:49And now it's Patrick Mahomes' second Super Bowl blowout loss.
00:55And boy, this is a, look, Patriots fans haven't had many good days, OK?
01:01They were maybe, Drake May gets drafted, Gerard Mayo gets fired.
01:06People like that, I think, you jerks that you are.
01:11And then this, is that it?
01:15Top three days?
01:16The Mahomes, Mahomes falling here in what was going to be the most excruciating week
01:22of football talk in, in our lifetimes as anybody who consumes Patriots stuff or is
01:29a Patriots fan would have lost their fricking minds at the narratives going on here, which
01:37I think are, I think are so stupid, but we are sheep and we have to chase content and
01:44stories and it's what people do.
01:46And if Mahomes wins, he's the greatest.
01:49It's over.
01:50The debate's already over.
01:51Mahomes wins at four, doesn't matter what he does the rest of his career.
01:54And if he loses, he's a bum and he's never catching him.
01:57And both of those are stupid.
01:59I think it's equally stupid to have crowned him or to knock him way, way, way down for
02:03a loss in this game.
02:05But that's what's going to happen.
02:07And Patriots fans would rather be on that other side of the conversation here.
02:10So let's start with it here, Taylor, and, and, and, and give us your take.
02:16Yeah, I was going to be very frustrated because if he does three Pete, then at some point
02:22there is something you need to concede that he did something that Brady didn't, that no
02:25one else had.
02:26I didn't think that was going to be enough to put him in the conversation with Brady,
02:30considering Tom Brady, you could argue had three different Hall of Fame careers, more
02:34Superbowl appearances, more Superbowl wins.
02:36Like I think anybody who came at this from a sincere perspective understood that while
02:40Patrick Mahomes, his legacy is different and he is paving a trajectory that we've never
02:44seen before.
02:45Tom Brady had a career that no one had ever seen before.
02:47And one that hasn't really been touched in one that, especially after today, you realize
02:51just how special it is that it wasn't just him, obviously it was also Belichick.
02:55So having the best defensive mind, arguably of all time and the best quarterback and maybe
02:59even player of all time, it's a massive advantage and it leads to you never getting blown out
03:05in Superbowl is the way that homes has twice now, as good as Steve Spagnola is.
03:09I mean, even still, I don't even think the chief's defense was necessarily bad, really
03:14the pick six and the fact the offense just couldn't do anything for most of three quarters
03:19is really what sunk them in this game.
03:21But yeah, I'm glad that we don't have to have this weird conversation where we act like
03:24my homes is even close to the end of his career.
03:27We have no idea what he's going to end up doing with the next like 10 plus years that
03:31he's playing football.
03:32And with Brady, again, it's just, it's its own unique situation where a guy was able
03:38to build a dynasty, still play at a really high level, even when he wasn't going to Superbowls,
03:43then start knocking on the door again and start a brand new one.
03:45Like it's just, it's not even close to what the chiefs have even started to do, even if
03:49where they are right now is so rare and so unique.
03:52So I'm just, yeah, man, I'm glad I think, I think it's a silly conversation and one
03:56that a three-peat might've given some kind of loose credibility to, if you really wanted
04:02to fight for your case.
04:03But again, we understand how rare it is, what Brady and Belichick did.
04:08And now we have another year where people can kind of breathe and just appreciate the
04:11chiefs for what they are, while also acknowledging that like, you are not probably touching Brady
04:17Belichick and what they built anytime soon.
04:19I, and again, I don't know that that's true.
04:22I think, like I said, is, I think it's almost sillier to diminish Mahomes for the loss than
04:27it is to crown him for the win, because look, to declare the debate over if he three-peats,
04:33because that's something that Brady never did.
04:36And then, you know, just decide that that's how you're going to go forward in this conversation
04:43for the rest of time until what, he loses, doesn't show up in the big game for another
04:4710 years.
04:48Who knows?
04:49I think that that's silly as well.
04:51He's, he's, I mean, he's in his eighth year, but he's seven years in as a starter.
04:57He's made five freaking Super Bowls as seven years as a starter.
05:01The chiefs, the, the Reed Mahomes thing is Brady Belichick-esque.
05:06And again, it didn't, it is, and, and I don't, I have no reason to believe that's a well-run
05:11organization.
05:12I have no reason, but they're making Super Bowls, they're winning Super Bowls in their
05:15down years.
05:16You know what I mean?
05:17Like, so I have no, I have no reason to believe it's, they're going to just because history
05:23shows us it's hard and it is likely that teams will take a big gap and they might not ever
05:29get back.
05:30I don't know that that's the case with these guys.
05:33So like take your victory lap now, they could be back again and again and again and again.
05:39And that's not crazy.
05:40What, what is crazy is once you get into year 13, 14, 15, all of a sudden people can't do
05:45what Tom Brady did into his forties.
05:48So like most people's window closes faster, which means he's got to get it going quick.
05:54He goes on a five, six, seven year hiatus from the Super Bowl at all that really, really,
06:00really going to be difficult.
06:01But five, five, five times in seven years and winning here, I mean, nothing but props
06:07to these guys.
06:09That being said, it's a big victory lap for Patriots fans today.
06:14And like, look, you want to change the arguments around, you'll change them.
06:17Tom Brady never got his ass kicked like this.
06:21Didn't happen.
06:22Mahomes has lost this two combined, two Super Bowls by a combined score of 71 31.
06:26And it's been more lopsided than that.
06:28They weren't competitive in either of those two games.
06:31So for all the Mahomes magic, he couldn't keep them in these games.
06:34And I definitely don't want to take anything away from Mahomes or the Chiefs or anything
06:37like that.
06:38I'm just saying not one bit what the Patriots did is its own thing.
06:41What the Chiefs are doing is another.
06:43And why kind of say like, is, is Andy Reid going to coach another 10 years?
06:46We really don't know.
06:47Is Patrick Mahomes going to find another Travis Kelsey type where a lot of the success of
06:52this Chiefs dynasty has been built on the fact that Mahomes and Travis Kelsey have this
06:56unreal chemistry where literally it's almost impossible to defend them because they are
07:01able to mind meld in such a way that even if you're in perfect position, they can still
07:05beat you.
07:06Now we saw how, yes, they still won Super Bowls without Tyree Kill, but it was a lot
07:10of it was that Travis Kelsey element.
07:12Now you say, all right, one, how long is Reid going to be around?
07:16Is Mahomes going to get another one of those weapons he really trusts?
07:19And you're also in a conference that's stacked with quarterbacks where, yeah, this is a down
07:23year for the Chiefs for sure.
07:25But we don't know if the Ravens get even better.
07:27If the Bengals get better, the Patriots we're hoping are going to be knocked down that door
07:30pretty soon.
07:31So this, this is still a window that they still made the most of it.
07:35I don't want to act like they didn't accomplish anything.
07:37They were amazing, but this was their chance to edge themselves uniquely in the history
07:42and they missed out on it.
07:43Will Patrick Mahomes be back in the Super Bowl?
07:45I am positive that he will, but how many more times and how often, much more often will
07:49he win?
07:50Because if he goes to the Super Bowl enough times to get more than Tom Brady, the odds
07:54are he's going to lose one as well because the Patriots in both of their dynasties, you
07:57know, they had to eat some humble pie at some point as well.
08:00So, you know, I just think circumstantially it's so hard to get here no matter how good
08:04you are as a head coach and a quarterback.
08:07So it's going to be interesting to see how obviously the rest of Mahomes' career goes.
08:10That's the most obvious statement ever.
08:12He's off to an amazing start, but just comparing those two different runs is going to be, you
08:17know, it's going to be fascinating.
08:18Yeah, it is.
08:20It is fascinating.
08:21We'll talk more about this because it is an interesting conversation to continue to have
08:26because again, it's, this is something the Patriots fans are protecting closely here.
08:32It's all you really have to hold on to, you know, is this and it's something, and you
08:37would hate to think that this thing that you never thought anybody would ever touch is
08:41touchable.
08:42And it really was like Mahomes gets four in seven years with a three-peat.
08:47All of a sudden, like it's starting to get hot in here.
08:49So we'll get back to this in a little bit, but let's just get down quick about the game.
08:54And I also want to talk about, and you know, Taylor and I talked about it offline a little
08:58bit, what any of this means from the Patriots, both in terms of potential free agents and
09:04also blueprints and what you see here.
09:08And you know, it's a copycat league.
09:10What types of things do we see that the successful teams are doing that you want to get your
09:14hands on some of that stuff here?
09:17But let's just look at this game here and break down, Taylor, what you thought the key
09:21was.
09:22I mean, you're going to obviously start with that line of scrimmage.
09:23And I think just Casey's offensive line and that front, what simply wasn't able to hold
09:28up.
09:29And again, very much like the Tampa game where they got blown out there and blown off the
09:32line.
09:33Mahomes couldn't do it alone and he just doesn't have the receivers and the look worthy hats
09:40off to him.
09:41He was great, but not enough guys out there to be able to go out there and make plays.
09:44Travis Kelsey, I, that, you know, there's not much going on there and then you've got
09:49other guys.
09:50It's a reality.
09:51It's life.
09:52That's what happens.
09:53But is that, is that the whole story there?
09:56Basically just Philly's defensive front, just, just ate them alive.
10:00I think that's a lot of it.
10:01And I'll say again, I didn't think the chiefs defense even played that poorly.
10:04Like Jalen Hurts had some fantastic goalball throws and no, there was the one to say Quan
10:09when they went down and scored, but that was already when the game was pretty well in reach.
10:13I didn't think they were terrible by any stretch of the imagination.
10:16And that's why for the Kansas city's defense, that's one of the best defenses in the NFL
10:19offensively, though, it really just felt like everything that you thought was going to sink
10:24the chiefs and every other game that they somehow pulled out finally came back to bite
10:28them.
10:29Like the fact that Joe Tooney is a guard and we know he played tackle in college.
10:33He's very athletic for a guard.
10:34He can play tackle in a pinch as we've seen, but you're talking about the best defensive
10:38line in the NFL.
10:39And this is the first week that you really saw, Oh yeah.
10:41They have a guard playing left tackle, probably not a great situation.
10:46And then obviously a guard to fill in for Joe Tooney as well.
10:49So there was that massive weak spot.
10:51And then the fact they're receiving cord just didn't have the juice.
10:54Hollywood Brown isn't really that guy.
10:56He's more of, you know, a really high end number three, maybe a pretty good number two.
11:00But even like when we were talking about free agents this off season, I'm thinking, you
11:03know, if you want some speed, sure.
11:04But I was never really a big Hollywood Brown guy.
11:06I thought it would be great for the chiefs because of what they needed.
11:09And Xavier Worthy obviously shows up with that crazy speed and it felt like that was
11:13the first time we really saw in a game him get to use that juice.
11:17It really threatened a defense downfield with any level of consistency, even if it showed
11:21up later.
11:22But yeah, for the chiefs, it felt like their weak points where they didn't have really
11:25great receiving talent and they had massive issues on the left side.
11:29Those were exposed.
11:31And then on the Eagle side of the ball, yes, I could sit here and say, you know what the
11:34secret to winning a super bowl is build a roster like the Eagles where you don't have
11:39any glaring weak spots.
11:40Like, yeah, I can tell you that.
11:41Of course, quarterback might be it literally that whole roster.
11:48Like I know everyone's saying, like, give big Fangio MVP Fangio is fantastic.
11:54He deserves credit.
11:55Howie Roseman, my God, man, because you look at the defense and this is why I didn't want
12:01to say anything because I'm a jinx and I could not stand to have said something out loud
12:05and then have seen Patrick Holmes with another Super Bowl thinking in my selfish head that
12:09I'm responsible for it because I jinxed it.
12:11But really that defense from the back to the front, you're looking at it and you're like,
12:15there's no one to pick on.
12:16There just isn't.
12:17You have a great group of corners, a physical rangy, a couple of safeties on the back end.
12:23Zach Bond, obviously having a fantastic season.
12:26All of their linebackers play well in that defensive front.
12:28And that's where it kind of comes back to the Patriots part of this.
12:32The Patriots can steal half of that defensive line.
12:35Now it's going to take a lot.
12:36Milton Williams is probably going to make north of $20 million.
12:38Josh Sweat.
12:39If you want to bring him to the Patriots, he may demand $20 million.
12:42Can you sign both of those guys?
12:43It may be unrealistic.
12:44I'm just going to sit here and say that now because I think both of their stocks have
12:48shot through the roof.
12:49Also, I spoke to Josh Sweat at the Super Bowl.
12:51Make sure you check out that interview.
12:52I actually got to ask him what a team would be getting if they ended up signing him.
12:57But I think the Patriots really need the pass rush, which is obvious, but it's complicated
13:03when it comes to how they go about it.
13:05Because you have Christian Barmore.
13:06Game record.
13:07We already know that.
13:08Health is a really big issue for him.
13:10He's only had one full healthy season in the NFL.
13:12That has to be taken into consideration.
13:14Keon White.
13:15Bull in a china shop when you put him on the inside.
13:18But it doesn't translate to sacks.
13:20He doesn't really get a lot of stops behind the line of scrimmage.
13:23So all right, who's your sack guy then?
13:25If you have one guy who you don't know if he's going to be on the field and another
13:27guy who's super inconsistent, really, I think you need at least one edge rusher.
13:32It's likely to because if you're talking about situational pass rushing, you don't
13:35have anybody lined up on the outside.
13:37And then if you don't really know if Barmore is going to be there for you.
13:40I know he's making 14 million signing a guy to $20 million might not go over great in
13:45the locker room, but it's a new regime.
13:47Barmore isn't consistently there in Milton Williams, this guy who's consistently been
13:51on the upward trajectory going back to like, I think last season, maybe even two years
13:54ago.
13:55And statistically, he's been one of the best pass rushers in football.
13:57So I would love to see them get at least one of these guys.
14:00I think not that they're going to be the difference makers, but I think at least in
14:05those situations like first down, if it's play action, you have somebody who can bring
14:09some juice because they were only relying on Keon White last year.
14:13Two years ago, they were only relying on Christian Barmore.
14:15That's just not a recipe for success because most offensive lines are going to be able
14:19to deal with one threat.
14:20So you hope they can at least add a couple in free agency.
14:23But overall, I would love for them to have at least one entire group where they can put
14:28the NASCAR package and get after the quarterback because it's been it's been an issue for multiple
14:32years.
14:33I'm just sick of seeing this defensive line just standing up if it's an early downer.
14:37If it's not an obvious past situation, it's like they don't really know what to do.
14:40So that's my biggest, biggest takeaway is you can stack the back end.
14:44I think the Patriots have a pretty solid secondary as it is, but really having a massive just
14:50bullying defensive line, especially inside everybody got mad at me for saying they should
14:54draft draft Mason Graham.
14:56I don't think you're going to be that upset at the idea now because a mean interior is
15:00really hard to get around.
15:01So as much as the Chiefs own roster issues were a factor and as great as the Eagles roster
15:07is, it was the defensive line.
15:08I think that was the talk the entire game.
15:10Yeah.
15:11And I want to be clear.
15:12Every time someone.
15:15Me gets mad at you when you say defense.
15:19It's really being mad at the Patriots for neglecting offense.
15:21I swear it's not even anybody's fault.
15:24I'm still taking it on bill for ignoring skill positions in the draft for so many years
15:31and just furious about it.
15:32And then continuing to whiff, you know, when you do try to address it.
15:35So it's all of that residual anger that says, no, Taylor, we're going to get this frigging
15:41thing right.
15:42I get it once first and then we'll move on.
15:45But yes, of course you need help everywhere.
15:49If you've watched the Patriots, you know, they're just not enough talent anywhere.
15:58Okay.
15:59So it, it doesn't matter.
16:02And you are right.
16:04And I think at this point, now that you've hit quarterback and now that you've seen quarterback
16:09be able to function in the worst environment imaginable, I think people are okay with all
16:16right.
16:17Maybe the weapons don't have to be great.
16:20You got to just get players, a lot of them, a lot of places.
16:23And again, if you're going to watch this game, and this is why I was confident in the Eagles
16:26winning to begin with was they're going to win up front and they did.
16:32And this is how it goes.
16:35You build from the inside out, you start, you start at the lines.
16:40This is an immutable truth and everybody knows that it's just not sexy, but you got to get
16:45the big hogs, the, the, the, these, the fat guys win football games, man.
16:49You know, you got to go get them.
16:52And especially if you wouldn't.
16:53And when you look at the Patriots specifically and you look at like, so eventually Mike and
16:57I are going to do a show on the Patriots pillars.
16:59If you look at the offense, where are the guys you're saying, all right, from here until
17:03the next like two years, maybe you can see them as being the guys who really kind of
17:07carry the offense for you.
17:08It's Drake may it's from Andre Stevenson and it's Antonio Gibson.
17:13It may be a sneaky one, but now that you got Josh back in the fold, you could see a guy
17:16like him really being maximized.
17:18How do you maximize your backfield?
17:20You build up the trenches.
17:21I think that Drake may can get by if you get like, I know I say Darius Slayton and the
17:25back of the hair on people's neck stands up, but really, if you get a guy who gives you
17:30some, some guys who are reliable receivers, like if you looked at just Drake may throw
17:35in the Austin Hooper and you know, Austin Hunter Henry, he looks like a pretty damn
17:39good quarterback.
17:40And then when you get all the wide receivers involved, it's like, Oh, it doesn't look quite
17:42as good.
17:43Cause he's very good when he can trust guys and he can actually put faith in them to kind
17:46of give them shots.
17:47So offensively you have most of your investments in your backfield.
17:52Great reason to build out the offensive line, even if it wasn't just a core principle of
17:56any offense.
17:57And then defensively, the run defense was great two years ago.
18:00And a lot of that was because you had Anthony Jennings, Godshaw, bar more guys who could
18:04stop it.
18:05And the pass rush wasn't great, but bar more could kind of give you that going forward.
18:09We all know what a good secondary can do.
18:10But once again, man, I just want a defensive line that you go in and you're like, well,
18:14you know, they're not going to get bullied because if you can go in and know that one
18:17side of the trenches or both are not going to get bullied, you know, you're going into
18:21every single game with a chance to win, add in a quarterback, like Drake may a good running
18:26game and a good tandem of running backs.
18:28You're cooking with some pretty good gas for a team that people think may not even make
18:31the playoffs.
18:32Yeah.
18:33Yeah.
18:34And that's fair.
18:37It's fair.
18:39And again, it's, there's nothing, I guess that's the best part about it.
18:43There's, there's nothing the Patriots don't need.
18:45And when you say, I don't know if I throw money at this guy, cause you might want to
18:49throw it at this guy.
18:50And then we, I don't know if we draft this guy cause we might want this guy.
18:54You need them all.
18:55You need them all.
18:56Every one of them.
18:57You really do.
18:58And then there's no, there's no way around it.
19:01You really need everything.
19:03So you really can't go wrong.
19:04You just need more quality, uh, at some point or another.
19:10And this is actually just really quick.
19:11I'll say schematically with variables, defense, the not blitzing thing is huge because when
19:15you look at variables numbers, the last few seasons, especially that he was in Tennessee,
19:19they didn't blitz really, it was the four man front.
19:22They're not super exotic.
19:23They're going to send their hogs at you and they're going to try to win.
19:26They'll send some simulated pressures where it's really four guys rushing.
19:29One of them's like a slot corner or something, but they want to win up front.
19:32And we know it's rowing.
19:33He's a defensive coordinator.
19:34Philosophically.
19:35You'd think if you're putting a defensive line coach in charge, you're probably going
19:38to want to be a team that wins front to back.
19:40So that's another big part of this, why they shouldn't shore up the trenches because they're
19:43not going to be blitzing very often.
19:45They want to be complicated on the back end, not really upfront.
19:48And what's real Williams is ability to get the most out of guys.
19:51He's had multiple pro bowlers up front.
19:53You know, if they get the pieces, it's exciting, but they got to get there first.
19:57So, you know, for agency going to be exciting.
20:01Anything from this moment forth for Patriots fans is exciting.
20:04I really is.
20:05This is now.
20:06So what's interesting now is the Patriots are the most important team on the planet.
20:11You know, it sounds silly, but like, okay, great.
20:14The Eagles are the best team in football.
20:17That was last year.
20:18The team right now with the number four pick and all the cap space is the Patriots.
20:22And they've got a potential franchise quarterback and a lot of good things that they can do.
20:27And this is a fun kind of part of, you know, where we're going to start our off season
20:32here, really getting into some stuff and Taylor's going to have a lot of it cooking as we continue
20:37to look at how the Patriots are going to get back to here.
20:42It's a long road, but again, everybody knows there's a lot, there's a couple of things
20:47going for them and there's a lot of possibility this off season.
20:50So it begins there.
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21:51Looking back to it here, um, and again, sticking on this game, just to begin with, it is interesting.
21:57As you said, where the chiefs defense did not play poorly.
22:00If someone told you this was going to be Saquon Barkley's line for the night, you'd be like,
22:04wow, chiefs did their job and must've won this one pretty handily.
22:08Um, Nope.
22:10I mean, you know, they didn't do a whole lot and that's, I didn't think that Saquon was
22:18going to run rough shop the way he had against other teams because this chiefs defensive
22:21front, like I think they still got Mike Pinnell, obviously Chris Jones, like they're a really
22:26tough front.
22:27And that was one of the reasons why I thought maybe the chiefs would keep this one close.
22:30Now the Eagles still have two number one receivers or guys who'd be number one receivers on most
22:35other teams.
22:36Again, that's why when I say like, Oh yeah, just build the Eagles offense.
22:39It's like, yeah, we have the best running back in football.
22:41You have arguably the best wide receiver in football, a quarterback who's a legit, one
22:45of the best dual threats in football can do a little bit of everything.
22:48So I mean, stopping, say calm was obviously the first part of it, but then there were
22:52just the handful of deep shots they gave up.
22:54I think that live PFF gave Jalen hurts like four big time throws or something like that.
22:59And in this kind of game, that was what made the difference because the one key that I
23:03had going into this was that, and it's the same thing with Tom Brady and all the great
23:06quarterbacks, you cannot go into the fourth quarter and have them be in a position where
23:10they're not really like fighting from behind.
23:13Like you need at least a couple of score like touchdowns where they really are in a
23:17situation where you can have the defense, but it's ears back.
23:20And even as we saw with Brady and the Superbowl against the Seahawks, like sometimes even
23:23that's not enough.
23:25But the fact that they were able to get out to that early lead again, the pick six was
23:28huge because I think that's when it really felt like, Oh, now the chiefs really need
23:34to start catching up.
23:35And that's when that feel like the Eagle started pinning their ears back.
23:38That's when Joe Tooney started getting exposed.
23:40There was some weird plan also where one people get crap for play action protections
23:45a lot.
23:46And it's kind of unfair because sometimes you want it to look like a run.
23:49So you'll end up having like a tight end in a running back block, a really good edge rusher.
23:54And you're hoping they're slowed down because they're confused at what's happening.
23:57But when it turns into a sack, it looks really bad.
23:58But then the next play after that, they tried to block Josh wet with it.
24:02They chipped him with a tight end, then blocked him with a halfback.
24:05And I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't do anything for you.
24:07That's just stupid.
24:08I don't know what the idea is.
24:09I'm like third down.
24:11So, yeah, you stop Saquon Barkley.
24:13That's a fantastic job.
24:14But the offense for the Chiefs, I think, really put them in a tough spot where even when the
24:18defense was able to kind of hold off a little bit, they were put with their backs against
24:23the wall.
24:24And obviously, Jalen Hurts makes just enough throws to be effective and put them in scoring
24:27positions.
24:28So, yeah, I mean, it's just, again, the story of the game was the Eagles defensive line
24:32in the Chiefs complete inability to move the ball for most of the game.
24:35And I think it was after that drive where he got sacked back to back.
24:39And everyone pretty much tweeted at the same time.
24:41It's like the Tampa Bay Super Bowl, where now that it's kind of obvious where this game
24:45is going, how are the Chiefs going to hold up?
24:47Nobody knows.
24:48And yeah, they never found the answer.
24:50Yeah, no doubt.
24:51And Hurts was good, you know, as good as he had to be, you know, an extremely efficient
24:55game.
24:56He made the throws, didn't make mistakes.
24:57I think that's also the other thing that could have kept Casey in it.
25:00Because as you said, that pick six really turned things.
25:03Because despite, you know, Casey's offense not really doing anything in the Eagles dominating,
25:08I think it was 23-7 time of possession there.
25:11You know, they still weren't pouring it on because they didn't really get that running
25:14game going.
25:15And Hurts did everything he had to do.
25:17I thought he did a really good job feeling when there was pressure or when he had a clear
25:23running lane.
25:24And he scrambled and extended a couple of drives with his legs, which was really good
25:27on third down.
25:29Really jumping up in the pocket and taking off at the right time.
25:32So again, he, I'm not going to say silenced critics, but he's always one of those guys
25:36because of the lack of gaudy stats.
25:38People are going to look at him and be like, he's not, he's not that good.
25:41Is he?
25:42And honestly, I don't think he's a, I don't think he's an outstanding, I think he's a
25:45see it, throw it quarterback.
25:47I don't think he's a great anticipatory thrower or this or that, but you know, he brings a
25:53lot of other things to the table and he did everything he had to do today.
25:58He looked, I mean, I'm going to say it looked like a better player than my homes, but he
26:03was great.
26:04He was great.
26:05He was as good as he had to be tonight.
26:06And there were also the turnovers like that's, we always talk about it with my homes.
26:10One of the reasons that my homes and the chiefs are so good.
26:12The thing that Belichick always talks about when he talks about Brady, it's not even the
26:16plays you make.
26:17It's the plays you don't and the mistakes that you don't make.
26:19Now the first interception that my homes through that was on him.
26:22He just completely didn't see the gene.
26:24I don't know what exactly happened there.
26:26I really just think he kind of threw it blindly, obviously ends up getting scored on the second
26:30interception.
26:31Wasn't totally on him.
26:32I know people thought it was a weird choice.
26:33I'm like, he's getting a lineman pushed into him as he's letting the ball go.
26:39I don't put that one as much on him, but those matter because those are two turnovers where
26:43one turn into a score, another turn into a possession in your own territory.
26:47And you can't put your defense in those positions against the team that has Saquon Barkley,
26:50Jalen Hurts, Montee Smith, and AJ Brown.
26:53You just can't do that.
26:54You had to live with it being 10, nothing, 13, nothing, and just deal with it.
26:58And then see if you could go into halftime, make some adjustments there.
27:01I mean, I think I saw the stat.
27:04I don't want to get it wrong, but I think in 10 Super Bowl starts, Tom Brady has six
27:06career interceptions and Patrick Wilhelms had seven through his first four and a half
27:14starts here.
27:15So again, those are killers and was a huge reason why they fell behind in this game.
27:20Other leftovers from this game before we move on to a couple of other housekeeping nuggets?
27:26I think I'm pretty good.
27:28I think I'm good.
27:29Okay.
27:30So again, this was it.
27:32Eagles win it.
27:33I did want to ask one other thing here, and this is my question.
27:37What does this, what is Kansas City getting dominated in the way they did?
27:42And again, a lot has to do with matchups, right?
27:45You don't know that it would have gone this way against a different type of team.
27:48I certainly don't think if the commanders had found a way to sneak through that they
27:52would have held up against Kansas City.
27:54They just weren't a team that was built to be able to do that.
27:58Again, a unique skill set and the type of team that can really disrupt, you know, what
28:03Kansas City was doing and they did it.
28:05I mean, as you said, they're a near flawless team, so they just had to not puke all over
28:10themselves, play their game.
28:12I was saying that that was literally what I said leading up to the game during the game.
28:15Just like don't puke on yourselves and you'll be okay and you'll be okay.
28:19So that's, that's kind of high view to too, but I always leave open the impossibility
28:23that they might because I have more faith in Mahomes and Reed than I do Sirianni and
28:27Jalen Hurds.
28:28That has nothing to do, you know, no disrespect.
28:30Those guys are all timers and you can see them do something with nothing, but looking
28:35at the Chiefs getting blown out the way they did and a lot of people felt this was a fraud
28:40team throughout the course of the year, right?
28:42That not nearly as good as the record and look, I mean, the point differential and you
28:46know, throughout the season relative to some of the other teams out there who didn't have
28:51as good a record, the close call squeaking by not really looking super impressive at
28:57any point all year long, not looking like a dominant team.
29:00A lot of people viewed them as posers, but then you watch them play and then they do
29:04what they do and you watch that Bill's game and they just felt inevitable.
29:08Like, Oh, this is what the Pats used to do, but they weren't great.
29:13And now I am wondering, as you look around the AFC, how far do you, the P does a team
29:21like the Patriots even have to climb to get to a level of one of these teams that Buffalo
29:27was a flawed team.
29:29They, they, they, they, they outkicked their coverage all year.
29:31They, this was supposed to be a step back year from them.
29:36They're far from a perfect team.
29:38Kansas city is far from a perfect team.
29:40The Ravens are, I can't figure out what they are.
29:45Honestly.
29:46I can't.
29:47Cause sometimes you think they're there, they're, you know, they're, they're beasts and other
29:50times you're like, Oh, you know, I, you know, they, Nope, here they are.
29:53They laid down again.
29:56They're the most confusing team that really does.
29:58They're so confusing.
30:00Always scary.
30:01And you always have to take them deathly serious, but they could also always lay the most random
30:05goose egg.
30:06They, they, they confuse the hell out of me.
30:09But then what else do you have in the AFC right now?
30:12Like a lot of like, okay, wow.
30:15The chargers had a pretty good year.
30:16Denver made the playoffs, the Texans, like, you know, frigging Pittsburgh, you don't,
30:23I don't want to hear about Pittsburgh.
30:25You know, who's, who's scaring you in the AFC.
30:29You look at all the quarterback talent.
30:31And I think people might be overestimating like how high and how far you have to climb
30:35to be able to get back in there.
30:37But like, none of these teams are super teams right now.
30:41I don't, I mean, if the Patriots weren't as bad as they were in need of everything, you
30:47could think they could flip the switch in a year and get back into the conversation.
30:51I don't think they can, but the AFC is not great right now.
30:54The only teams that ever scare me consistently are ones with the quarterbacks, like legit
30:59quarterbacks and very good offensive lines.
31:02That's where the bills, one reason they were so much better than they should have been
31:05was obviously Josh Allen, having maybe the best season of his career.
31:09Also that offensive line has crazy continuity.
31:12They've been together for a long time.
31:14They're great run blockers.
31:15They're really good pass protectors.
31:17And they had one of the best run games in the NFL on top of also having Josh Allen and
31:20all he could do.
31:21So then you look at the rest of the AFC, the teams that have really good offensive lines.
31:24There's not many Lamar Jackson, the Ravens, but Ronnie Stanley's 30.
31:29He might not even be on the team next year.
31:30Patrick McCurry might go somewhere else.
31:32They can upgrade, but still, you don't know what's going to happen to their offensive line.
31:36So that's a bit of a question mark.
31:37Then there's the Bengals.
31:38Their offensive line's always a question mark.
31:40The Texans, the big glaring weakness for that team was Kenyon Green at guard.
31:44He was a big reason that they just sunk and kind of stunk this season.
31:48And CJ Stroud kind of had a, I don't even want to say he had a step back.
31:50He just had to deal with way more pressure.
31:53And then Casey, when they're healthy, they have a really good offensive line, but left
31:55tackles an issue for them.
31:57And then the only other team I really take seriously is the Chargers and the Chargers
32:00of the Chargers, man, until they win a playoff game.
32:03I'm sorry.
32:04I can't take them that seriously.
32:06I think Jim Harbaugh is a great coach.
32:07I really like Justin Herbert.
32:08I think their offensive line's a bunch of ballers, but their skill talent sucks and
32:13they need some real help, but I need to actually see it live.
32:16So for the Patriots, again, this is what my, what my thing has been going back to November.
32:20I actually pulled up a tweet that I had where I've been back and forth on T Higgins, but
32:24I've always wanted them to just completely redo or max out the trenches as bad as much
32:29as they can.
32:30The thing is, especially on the offensive side of the ball, you can buy a pretty good
32:34defensive line.
32:35I think because you really need two stars and then you can rotate guys in offensive
32:39line.
32:40It's tough to buy.
32:41Maybe you get Trey Smith, but like the really good players, especially tackles don't hit
32:45the market unless they're old, have an injury history or there's something else.
32:48So I think that really is it like the bills and you look at the teams with good offensive
32:51lines.
32:52A lot of them are homegrown, like the bills, the chiefs.
32:55A lot of that are guys that they actually selected and they built up through their system
32:58and had success.
32:59The Chargers are in the same boat as well.
33:01So that's one of those where with the Patriots offensive line, I think they may be two years
33:06away from being a real true bully ball unit.
33:08I think they're going to have to basically have a couple of band-aids this year.
33:11But the defensive line, I think you can make look much better, especially because like
33:15interior rushers, it's deep in the draft.
33:17It's deep for agency edge rushers.
33:19You can get on any day of the draft in any round for agencies, not quite as deep, but
33:23I think you can get a couple of good role players.
33:25So really for me, he keeps coming back to the same thing.
33:29You got the quarterback.
33:30Awesome.
33:31Now fix the trenches and I will feel good about them going up against anyone.
33:35I don't care who it is.
33:36And that's the thing.
33:37And that's where I always get all worked up during the draft, you know, and all of our,
33:40you know, draft shows end up being so comical is just what, what do you have to draft and
33:45what can you get other places?
33:46What can you get either lower in the draft or in free agency?
33:49And what can you not?
33:50And it's really hard to find tackles and, and elite wide receivers in free agency because
33:56those guys get locked up.
33:58You're right.
33:59You don't see the market very often because everyone recognizes their value.
34:04And if they're really good, they're going to get paid to stay because no one wants to
34:08take another swing at it.
34:10Once you've got your guy receivers, a different story.
34:12And sometimes you see guys come free for trade where teams are really cash strapped and they've
34:16got to move on.
34:17And that sexy outside receiver becomes a real luxury when you've got to pay, you know, a
34:22bunch, everybody else.
34:24And your quarterback's about to make $60 million.
34:26So I mean, look, there's economic realities in the NFL and you hope that one of those
34:30guys shake through T Higgins, maybe one of those, but you'd rather, I'd rather give Jamar
34:35chase 35 million than T Higgins 30.
34:37You know what I mean?
34:38So like, I'm not saying those are the numbers that it's going to take, but it's still, even
34:43if you do throw the money at him, it's not necessarily a sure thing, but you're right.
34:47You can get certain things other places.
34:50And when I say bandaid, I say bandaid because the point of the argument is that it is not
34:56easy to fill these positions.
34:58Left tackle.
34:59I know everyone wants Ronnie Stanley.
35:01Everybody wants, you know, the best guys in sliced bread.
35:04Why would Ronnie Stanley want to come here?
35:06Unless he really is only worried about his bank account.
35:09Like be realistic.
35:10The best option they're probably going to get is like a cam Robinson because he's got
35:14history with Doug Morone.
35:15And that's only if they had a good relationship.
35:16So when I say bandaid, I mean, they will, I will hope they do the best that they can
35:21not turning a right tackle into a left tackle.
35:23I'm over that.
35:24I don't want to see any more of that.
35:25I thought maybe it would work last year.
35:26It didn't extenuating circumstances.
35:28I don't really give a shit.
35:29I'm done.
35:31But realistically, this year is not a great year for tackle.
35:34So unless they can find a guy on day two, I don't want to do something.
35:37I'm sorry.
35:38You're gonna have to wait till next year.
35:39I don't want to draft a guard either.
35:40And sometimes people have to just have to just understand that, like it's not there.
35:46Sorry.
35:47Like, you know, you thought you were tanking for a tackle this year.
35:51You know, everybody's dream scenario at the beginning of the year was get your tackle
35:55next year in the draft, sign T Higgins, and all of a sudden you've got three core pieces
35:58where you had none the year before.
36:00It's not that easy.
36:01You're right.
36:02You might have to.
36:03You might have to bandaid it at the two positions you most want to see them addressed because
36:09the worst thing that you can do is swing and miss and a receiver that might've gone in
36:14the second round last year with pick number eight on a trade down or a tackle who's actually
36:20a guard.
36:21That just looks so much worse.
36:22It's a half measure.
36:23It's a half measure.
36:25I don't want Isaiah win again.
36:26You know, like I don't want one of those things.
36:27So I, you're right.
36:28You might have to just eat it and, and not be great in places you really, really want
36:34to improve in.
36:35But then you invest in the defensive line.
36:37If that's a place where you can get really good, really quick, if you can be elite other
36:42places and we got to suffer through a year of not.
36:45And if this is me saying it like, you know, cause again, I, I've go, go, go multiple receivers,
36:53get them, get them, get them.
36:54Like you got to read the board.
36:55You got to play the board as it lies right now.
36:58And there's not, there's not much else you can do because you don't want to do is reach
37:02or with while we're at it.
37:05There's a couple of interesting names out there that have come out there in the last
37:08week or so.
37:09The most recent Debo Samuel Debo due for, I think about 30 million next year.
37:17I can't imagine anybody's going.
37:19He's been given permission to seek a trade if you, if you want it.
37:25And this is basically to me, Taylor, if you can find someone who wants to trade for you,
37:30great.
37:31Do that before we cut you.
37:32Cause I can't see this.
37:35I can't see someone trading for someone who's so clearly on the decline for, for the amount
37:43of money that they're going to make, unless you're bringing them in on some sort of restructure.
37:46That's what I was saying.
37:47Like, unless the Niners are going to eat a lot of that money and they're asking for like
37:50a sixth.
37:51I'm not interested.
37:52Debo's lost a step.
37:54You can say how many games he's played, but like how many snaps he's played, even in games
37:58where he has technically started or played, he comes out at games.
38:01Cause he's hurt.
38:02Like I understand that what Debo like Debo is the prototype for what he is, where everyone,
38:07if it's a gadget guy who can also do a little something else, always Debo.
38:11Like I understand his name has a lot of value, but that value is just like, I I'm trying
38:16to think of like what, what, like what, I don't even know.
38:19It's like blockbuster like blockbuster.
38:22Is that, does that make sense?
38:23It's not like blockbuster where it was the shit back in the day and now, you know, barely
38:27even exists anymore.
38:28Like Debo is still, he could still make some big plays for you.
38:31And yes, he'd be one of the biggest difference makers on the Patriots, but for the money,
38:35if it's any kind of serious draft capital, I'm sorry, no one, there's also that weird
38:39situation where he like attacked the kicker and launch snapper last year or this season
38:44and the playoffs or not to play, I'll say to make the playoffs.
38:46Yeah.
38:47But there was some weird situation with that and he's a captain.
38:49So I don't know what that's about.
38:51So just, I think if you bring anyone in like a Cooper cup, it makes a little bit more sense,
38:56right?
38:57A lot of his game is the mental side of it.
38:58He's a captain, he's a leader, you know, his work ethic, like those kinds of things.
39:02Sure.
39:03I could maybe entertain if you're talking about like a fifth round pick and he's not
39:06making a ton, a ton of money, but like with Debo specifically, I just don't think it makes
39:10sense because I think there's so much wear and tear.
39:13There's so much question marks about whether he's even going to be available and I don't
39:16think he's the kind of technician where you put him in a young receiver room and it just
39:20elevates them and they're all at this next level.
39:22I think cup is that guy.
39:23I don't really know if Debo is that guy.
39:25I think cup may not be that guy either, but I know people are more into it because they
39:31think of McDaniels.
39:32They think of him as more of a slot type guy, even though he plays inside and outside.
39:37You know but you know, I think they're thinking, what could the Patriots do with someone like
39:44this?
39:45And this does seem to fit into a McDaniels type of offense.
39:46So he does, you know, sound appealing.
39:48I agree on the Debo front Taylor that I love him.
39:51He's one of my favorite.
39:53He was one of my favorite players to watch because you don't see receivers play with
39:56that level of physicality.
39:58He literally, he's an, I mean, he welcomes contact.
40:03He's an absolute animal and a beast and a yak machine, or he was at least that type
40:09of talent.
40:10I think he was loved to have had a couple of years ago, but he, I think he was moving
40:13like a D lineman last year.
40:14He's just not the same guy.
40:16So I don't see it in any way.
40:18The other super, super duper sexy name here is obviously Myles Garrett.
40:24That's expensive.
40:25And I just don't think that you, I don't think you can take this car out for a spin off the
40:29lot because I don't think you want to spend what it's going to take to get it.
40:33I don't think this makes any sense at all.
40:36Myles Garrett.
40:37This is also why I didn't think Cooper cup made a lot of sense, realistically, like as
40:40a fit on the Patriots.
40:41Sure.
40:42As that veteran in the receiver room, whatever, not fine.
40:45But this one, like Garrett said, he wants to win championships.
40:48So he's not going to come to a rebuilding team.
40:50Most likely he's super expensive.
40:52I know he's a freak athlete and like, I'm not going to bet against Myles Garrett playing
40:56until he's like 35 at a high level, but he is turning 30.
41:00He's expensive and it's going to take some significant trade capital because it's still
41:04Myles Garrett.
41:05I just don't even want to trade him.
41:07He's just sick of their crap.
41:08So you're probably going to have to give up like a fourth, a third.
41:12I just don't think that this timeline makes any sense.
41:15We're like for Garrett, you're probably thinking like two to three years, the Patriots optimistically
41:19are going to be a competitive team that maybe is fighting for a super bowl spot in three
41:23years, but that's a projection.
41:25And there are teams that are on that trajectory right now.
41:28Like the bills.
41:29Um, if he wants to go to the Eagles, like there are a bunch of teams he could go to
41:32where he has a more realistic chance of winning a ring and being in a stable organization.
41:37So Myles Garrett doesn't make any, I joked about it with the Elliot Wolf with the laser
41:41eyes when the news broke, but like, no, this doesn't make any sense.
41:45Yeah, exactly.
41:46I don't see it either.
41:48What's funny is I want the Patriots to have a not sexy off season.
41:53Um, I really do, um, because outside of the, the spend on the receiver, uh, if you see
42:00if Higgins is there and you can, and you can outbid teams, great.
42:03That's the best you're going to get at that position.
42:05It's better than what you're going to draft.
42:07And you got to spend money somewhere, uh, everything else.
42:10Sure.
42:11Whatever.
42:12Throw money at anybody who's a legit talent, you know, but don't, you know, like I said,
42:17you can't be trading assets at this point in time, any real assets, certainly not for
42:21people who are making 30, $35 million.
42:23And I, I'm all set on, on, um, on reclamation projects and retreads and guys who are declining,
42:30particularly at the receiver position.
42:32Those guys don't get better.
42:33Um, what happens is they stay the same or get worse, but in their mind, they are the
42:40player that they were two or three years ago, and they become problems more than they become
42:44solutions.
42:45Everyone.
42:46We're on good teams.
42:47They have to be on good teams, but they also have to feel that they're being utilized in
42:52some way.
42:53So like I said, is you look at Hopkins, can't go to a better situation.
42:56He's trash over there.
42:57He's trash, you know, and this is somebody, the Patriots were falling over themselves
43:00trying to get, I want nothing to do with Stefan Diggs.
43:02I want nothing to do with Debo Samuel.
43:04I don't even think I wanted anything to do with Cooper cup.
43:06I think you just got to live with it.
43:08You got to be smart.
43:09You got to draft well, and you might have to wait it out on a couple of things.
43:13And I know people don't like to see that or say that, but it is what it is.
43:17You might just have to suck it up and hope that DeMario and Kendrick Bourne and Josh
43:22McDaniels can figure some shit out, which sucks, but it is what it is.
43:29That's it for us.
43:30Like I said, we had that.
43:31We wanted to pop up here and do a quick post game show.
43:33Our last post game show of the year until again, you know, we get into Patriots preseason
43:39bet, you know, sometime later in August, but our Patriots coverage is nowhere near finished.
43:46In fact, I think this is where we're really going to start to turn it up and where you
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43:58If you don't already because the free agent stuff and the scouting stuff and the draft
44:04stuff is about to come pouring in this off season as we now shift our focused entirely.
44:11The next stop is the combine where these guys will be headed to to check out some of the
44:16draft picks potential draft picks of the Patriots.
44:19And then it's just go, go, go as we ramp up for another crazy Patriots off season.
44:24So for those of you who watch the Patriots post game show all season long we love you
44:29and we appreciate you and thank you very much for hanging with us all season long.
44:34It's always a pleasure.
44:35We, you know, like doing these shows, but we like talking with you guys as well, listening
44:39to your comments, having you guys keep us honest.
44:42So thank you for that.
44:43There's going to be a ton more coverage with Taylor and Mike and Patriots daily.
44:49You got one tomorrow?
44:50Yes, we got one tomorrow.
44:53Mailbag tomorrow.
44:54So bring your questions.
44:55Bring your questions for the mailbag.
44:56Also of course, you've got Greg Bedard, Andrew Callahan, Mike Giardi, the guys over at Pat's
45:02pulpit, Pat and Matt, and of course our guys Patriots beat Barth and Hines cannot beat
45:07the Patriots coverage on this channel and we're really going to start cranking now as
45:11the off season officially begins.
45:14The season is over.
45:15The Philadelphia Eagles win their second Super Bowl title.
45:18They take down the Kansas City Chiefs 40 and 22.
45:22Tom Brady's legacy safe for now, folks.
45:25Rest easy.
45:26I said, I was sending that Vrabel gift to people yet.
45:30Very nice.
45:31Still would go.
45:32I need to put it.
45:33Go.
45:34Yeah.
45:35Yeah.
45:36Brady, still the ghost.
45:37Still the goat.
45:38How does it affect him?
45:39Yeah.
45:40I think this is going to be put on hold at least for a year and then everyone's going
45:42to come running out again.
45:43Again.
45:44I'm sorry.
45:45I got to say it.
45:46But again, the reactionary nature of all of this stuff, it was like the fact that people
45:52were ready to hand it to him.
45:54If you want to make any sense, man, it didn't make any sense.
45:58He doesn't even have as many rings.
46:00What are we talking?
46:01What are we talking about?
46:02He doesn't even have.
46:05But it's fair.
46:06It's fair.
46:07He's had a more accomplished first seven seasons that Brady had.
46:09Fact.
46:10Yeah.
46:11But doesn't make him to go.
46:12Like the crowning him right now was insane.
46:14But yes, like give him all the praise that he deserves.
46:17Let's just not get crazy.
46:18Both because of the statistical accomplishments and five Super Bowls in seven years is impressive.
46:24So yeah.
46:26So anyway.
46:27But that's that.
46:28Great.
46:29The Brady is safe for now.
46:30You guys have a good rest of your night, you know, school night.
46:34So everybody get your rest.
46:35We're back tomorrow with more coverage.
46:37Thank you guys for watching.
46:38Thanks to Taylor.
46:39Have a good night all.