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00:00The Big 3 NBA Podcast is powered by PrizePix and the Game Time app.

00:25Hello folks and welcome to another edition of The Big 3 NBA Podcast.

00:29I'm your host, H-Rob Blakely, and I'm joined today by Metal

00:33Arc Media and Sirius XM star Amin El-Hassan.

00:38How you doing, brother?

00:39What's up, man?

00:40I don't, I don't, star is a little, a little rough.

00:43I don't know if I'm a star.

00:44We only bring stars on the show.

00:46I'm Derek White.

00:47I'm a good role player.

00:49Every once in a while.

00:50I have like, oh, yeah, the really good game tonight, but it's

00:53more about the consistency.

00:55Consistency.

00:55I love that.

00:56I love that.

00:57Normally, we have Gary Washburn and Kwame Lewis on here joining

01:00me, but you know what?

01:01Their weekend rates are a little steep.

01:03So we gotta, so we, you know, we have to make sure we can budget

01:07to have me do this and not them because it's just too damn expensive

01:12and I'm not as expensive as they are.

01:14But you mentioned our good friend, Derek White, who is, you know,

01:19again, we're just going to kind of really just kind of cannonball

01:21away into the conversation.

01:23Celtics coming off a two-point win over a Pelicans team that wasn't

01:28anywhere even close to full strength.

01:30We can spend all day going over.

01:32Why?

01:33Why?

01:33But we're going to do that because this is not about that.

01:37Derek White again had 16 points.

01:39So they cut Pritchett's for seeing is Jalen Brown had a nice game

01:44thing at 27 6 and 4 Tatum had a double-double including a game

01:48winner, which was like full confession when he pulled up for that

01:52shot.

01:52I'm thinking it comes over time because that's not going to go in

01:56that's not because Jalen had made a big shot before that that had

02:00put them up briefly and then Pelicans came back and tied it and

02:03typically when one of them has like a really nice late game moment,

02:08you ain't getting that from the other.

02:10So it was kind of nice to see both of those guys, you know, able

02:13to do some things down the stretch.

02:17But what I really wanted to talk to it to mean about it is just

02:20more NBA centric topics and no matter how I try.

02:24I mean, I can't get the heat off my tongue.

02:29I'm looking at the trade deadline.

02:31I'm thinking because I went into this week thinking, you know, what

02:34we ain't going to talk about Jimmy.

02:35We ain't going to talk about Jimmy.

02:36And if we do we talk about Jimmy for a hot minute.

02:39Maybe the topic this week is one of my guys.

02:45Terry Roger.

02:46That's right.

02:47Who and folks around here in Boston.

02:49No, Terry was here was my guy.

02:52That was my dude.

02:53And so what I'm saying, like he didn't do his way.

02:55Oh, he didn't.

02:56Oh damn.

02:56He didn't news for that.

02:57Ooh.

02:57Yeah for those who are not familiar with why we're talking about

03:02Terry Roger.

03:03Terry Roger was recently indicted for oh goodness.

03:09Well, how let me let me think of the best way to characterize

03:12this.

03:13Okay, federal investigation for betting.

03:15So that let me just just keep it real simple and it's tied into

03:19the the John Tay Porter gambling issue that that happened on

03:23not not so long ago and for you.

03:25I mean, I guess right off the bat.

03:28How big a deal is this because we saw what John say it, you

03:33know, it really seemed like whoa, but how big do you think

03:35that the Terry Porter element of this is there's a there's

03:41a couple things, right?

03:43So number one, we have to point out that this happened when

03:45Terry was a member of the Charlotte Hornets, even though

03:47he's a Miami Heat player.

03:48Now, this is something from 2023.

03:51I believe the end of the 2023 season.

03:53So we start there and we also mentioned that like this thing

04:01had already happened.

04:02It's not happening.

04:04It's kind of the already investigation happened.

04:07I got a tip about this actually back in the November.

04:11Someone said, you know, they they they got Terry Terry Rozier

04:15as well and I said, oh wow, I didn't know that and I thought

04:18the news would come out at some point and then it just never

04:20came out.

04:20So I kind of forgot and then I was we get that bombshell on

04:24Friday or was it late Thursday.

04:26So there's that.

04:28So the next part of this is it's the same ring that was dealing

04:33with the John Tay Porter thing.

04:34Now the huge difference I would say at this point is with

04:39John Tay Porter.

04:41We got transcripts, right?

04:43Communications, the receipts were evident.

04:46Yes, the most receipted receipts ever, you know, crime 101.

04:53Yeah, look, I'm not encouraging anyone to do crimes.

04:56But if you're going to do a crime, don't text each other about

04:59the crime in great detail about how you're going to do the

05:01crime.

05:02Yeah, which is kind of with the John Tay Porter stuff.

05:04When I read through the transcripts of that.

05:06I'm like, come on man.

05:07What are you doing?

05:08Yeah.

05:09Hey, I'll just tell them my eye hurts and then I'll hug.

05:12Clearly, you're not you're new to this whole crime thing.

05:15If you're doing that.

05:16Yeah, right.

05:17So it's we don't have anything yet or at all at this point

05:24of Terry Rozier engaging in the same kind of direct conversation

05:29there, right?

05:31Obviously, no criminal charges were brought but with regards

05:36to basketball.

05:37I think the most important thing is they're getting caught,

05:42right?

05:42A lot of people worried.

05:43Oh, if you bring gambling into this, man, we're going to

05:47have all sides of gambling scandals and you know, my stance

05:50has been pretty clear.

05:52There's two reasons why I don't think we'll get too many

05:55scandals.

05:56Number one is the obvious one most NBA players, not all of

06:01them, but most NBA players make a lot of money.

06:03So in order for the juice to be worth the squeeze for me

06:06to throw a game or throw a line or whatever it is an unders

06:09on prop bets as John Taylor Porter was doing.

06:12I I've got either you're going to be paying me an amount

06:15of money that doesn't even make sense.

06:18Right to win a couple of hundred thousand or whatever or

06:23I've got to be someone like John Taylor Porter.

06:24I don't make a lot of money.

06:26Right, right relative to the rest of the NBA.

06:29And then how many prop bets are going on for the 9th 10th

06:3211th 12th man?

06:34Not many not many.

06:35All right.

06:35Okay.

06:36So that's one safeguard.

06:37The other is the gambling houses.

06:40Notice they know when they got a lot.

06:43We have a lot of action on John Taylor Porter who most people

06:47couldn't even pick out of a lineup.

06:50That's his brother is that that's the most famous thing

06:54about him is that he's Michael Porter jr.'s brother, right?

06:57So now we're talking about okay.

06:59So the people who make money ain't going to be doing this

07:02because it's not not worth it for them.

07:05The people don't make money.

07:06There aren't a lot of bets on them.

07:07But if there are the gambling houses are going to notice

07:11the action.

07:12They're not just taking money blind.

07:14It's all computerized.

07:16It all comes in digitally and they see wow, we've got how

07:20much on who that that is kind of raises the red flag.

07:26It raises the red flag.

07:27Now he might go out and have a triple-double like, oh, I

07:29guess whatever.

07:30It was just a bunch of dumb bets, but it's like oh and

07:33they all hit all this money hit that's another red flag.

07:37So if there's all sorts of checks and bounces, is it ever

07:41going to be zero?

07:42No, because there's always going to be an idiot who's going

07:45to text his buddy.

07:47Hey, man, I'm gonna do this just I'm gonna tell him I'm

07:48sick in the beginning of the first quarter, but the reality

07:52is we're we have systems to catch this and I think we are

07:58catching this now.

08:00I'll end on this.

08:03The fact that it happened at Terry Rozier again, nothing

08:06has been confirmed in the way in the John Taylor Porter

08:09type of way, but the fact that it's surrounding him.

08:12That's a bigger name.

08:13Yeah.

08:14So that does I think give people a little bit more unease

08:17than the John Taylor Porter situation.

08:19Yeah, I agree.

08:20And the one thing that that to me jumps out about this

08:24and these type of situations isn't so much the reality

08:27what's happening, but the optics of it and you know, when

08:30the NBA started to kind of wink wink at, you know, betting

08:34and then they decided to boo them up the way they have

08:38it went from, you know, just like a man.

08:40She kind of cute to like, yo, what's your thing?

08:43We're holding hands.

08:45We're walking through the quad and we're holding hands.

08:48We out in public be like, yep.

08:50That's my bae.

08:51Yes, we in it like that.

08:53And to me that's where the concern comes because I do

08:57think that there are lots of different levels and layers

09:00to where they're checking each other to make sure this

09:01thing doesn't get too out of control.

09:04But at the same time if I'm Joe fan and I'm just you

09:07know, I'm not following this stuff closely.

09:09I'm thinking like damn even if even if Terry Rozier is

09:13completely innocent and it has done nothing wrong.

09:16The optics are telling me there was a gambling situation.

09:19His name has been brought into it and that's the NBA.

09:23Do they have this gambling scandal?

09:25And that's to me.

09:26That's the concern not so much the reality but the optics

09:29and is the NBA bracing itself to deal with not just the

09:33reality was happening, but just the potential downfall

09:37from an optics standpoint.

09:39Yeah, the optics part is tough because it's not it's not

09:43nothing you can't ignore it.

09:44This is at the end of the day.

09:45This is a business and if the customers some of the customers

09:48believe something about it, then even if it's not true,

09:53it becomes difficult a great.

09:55This is one of the reasons why I thought the NBA has

09:58been very soft.

10:00Punishing players and coaches who imply that either gambling

10:05or the money wanted an outcome in the game.

10:08We've had a coach Darko up in Toronto last season.

10:12We had Rudy Gobert.

10:13We had Jamal Murray.

10:14We had a bunch of people say very bluntly.

10:18Oh, it's because they want this or you know, Rudy Gobert

10:20did the money sign.

10:21Yeah, but man, I've been a strong advocate for Commissioner

10:26Silver for Joe Dumars, but those guys to come down hard

10:31because of the optics.

10:33The optics is look people are going to believe.

10:38Oh, there is kind of unseen forces that are dictating this

10:41and sure.

10:42My thing is this it comes down to.

10:45You could say refs are stupid.

10:48You could say go back to Lens Crafters.

10:51You could say, oh, he doesn't like me personally because

10:57of XYZ situation.

10:58You could say all those things and those are all those are

11:01I think inbounds.

11:02They may not be accurate, but they're inbounds as far as

11:05frustration venting what we cannot allow in our sport at

11:10all is to ever allow the flippant implication.

11:14He's on the take that what the viewer is consuming is like

11:19wrestling.

11:20It's scripted.

11:20It ain't real.

11:21We can't have that.

11:23We can't have that from our players.

11:24Our coaches are our media partners.

11:27We cannot allow that to proliferate.

11:29They got to come down hard on that.

11:31Now.

11:32That's also the reason why Dante Porter got hit with the

11:37yeah, the the punishments that he did those punishments were

11:41that strict because we cannot allow this or this guy actually

11:45was trying to script out and and make what we're watching

11:49not pure competition get them up out of here.

11:52And that's as a as an example, like hey, if you want to do

11:55this, if you want to risk your livelihood in the highest

11:59paid professional sport in America.

12:02For a couple of G's here and there and the doors right there.

12:06Go ahead.

12:06Go play in Europe.

12:07Go play China somewhere else.

12:08Yeah, because I mean that that is insanity.

12:12I mean you talking about basically like per diem money

12:16that you're willing to risk your base salary for.

12:20Yep.

12:21What brothers come on now, we come too far to be this stupid

12:25sometimes it's it's it's like it would be the equivalent of

12:31like a doctor a surgeon shoplifting from Target, right?

12:37What are you doing?

12:38Why are you why would you put yourself in that situation?

12:42Now, some people are going to be in a situation where this

12:47is a matter of survival.

12:48I've got to do this years and years ago.

12:50You remember headache in Arizona State the gambling scandal

12:56scandal where he was point-shaving and but thing that

13:02remembers this guy was a college basketball player, right?

13:07Meaning he doesn't make any money.

13:09This is pre-NIL.

13:10This is way before NIL.

13:12This is early 90s, right?

13:14And so you say why would you jeopardize man?

13:18Like I got to make ends meet.

13:20I have responsibilities at home.

13:22I'm not, you know, and everyone around me here in this machine

13:27is making money and I'm the one who's playing and actually

13:30controlling the game and I don't make a don't that doesn't

13:33make sense.

13:34I'm not saying it's right.

13:36I'm saying I understand right don't understand why an NBA

13:41player would ever engage in that kind of stuff, right?

13:44Right.

13:44Absolutely.

13:45Absolutely.

13:46And then again, just well shout out to a mean for the 90s

13:51references.

13:52One of the things and again, I mean, you know with his, you

13:56know platforms and a podcast that he's on every now and then

13:59you'll hit the folks with something and it just warms my

14:02heart.

14:02I was listening to you about a week or two ago and you may

14:05reference to night and weekends when you got on the phone.

14:10Yes.

14:11I said, you know what?

14:12That's a real og right there because the kids don't know

14:15about that.

14:16They don't know about that.

14:17I mean, man, like let me tell you something.

14:20If there was a whole era of people who all had cell phones

14:25now, this isn't like in the early days were like, oh, you

14:27got a cell phone.

14:28They hit a point where like, okay mass adoption has happened,

14:33but someone call you at like 2 and afternoon.

14:39I'm not picking up 9 p.m.

14:40901.

14:41You get to have every conversation you want.

14:44I mean facts true story.

14:46My wife and I were engaged and she was in upstate New York

14:49and I was in North Carolina.

14:51We decided to move her down to North Carolina because it was

14:54cheaper for her to stay down there.

14:57Then they're calling each other on non-peak or during peak

15:02time. So we that's how bad the phone system was.

15:06I mean, you really had to find those nights and weekends

15:09and hope and just, you know, just be patient.

15:15I'll tell you another one that these kids don't understand

15:17long-distance calling.

15:19What is that?

15:21What's your area code?

15:23Exactly.

15:24831.

15:25Oh, no.

15:26You're gonna have to call me.

15:27You call me.

15:28I'm not calling you.

15:29That's not coming on my phone bill.

15:31Facts and if you work at a news organization and this is a

15:34true story, don't you be making long-distance calls because

15:37they will track you down and they won't check you on that.

15:41They will shout out to me and that's that's a shout out to

15:43me and to my girl Jamel Hill.

15:45She know what I'm talking about.

15:46We both got we both got caught in that Matrix report.

15:50Y'all got dinged with the thing about the phone bill and

15:52this is and you're like a source.

15:54Yeah.

15:55Yeah, we did.

15:55We did.

15:56So no, but I just got to keep the conversation going.

15:59I wanted to get your take on all-stars and specifically

16:04all-star snubs because that's what we love to talk about.

16:08I'm of the mindset that if you are going to tell me somebody

16:11got snubbed, who are you taking off the replacement with?

16:14So exactly when I'm looking at the Eastern Conference, there's

16:17one guy that got picked that I'm looking at him a little sus

16:21because I think there's at least one or two other guys that

16:24probably should have gone on before.

16:25Well, I'm curious who is the one or two players that you

16:29think probably should have been on the all-star team in the

16:31East first that wasn't.

16:35I thought look I did my own mock ballot about a week ago

16:39or so and Trey Young was on mine.

16:42I thought Trey Young look his numbers aren't great from an

16:45efficiency standpoint, but I thought he was able to do exactly

16:52what that team needed to be successful at above 500, which

16:57is be a focal point for their offense, right?

17:00Not only his scoring but it getting everyone else involved.

17:02He's among the league leaders and assists he and again, the

17:07team is winning.

17:07I thought he should have been recognized.

17:11But other than that, like I think everyone else's ballot.

17:16I'm like there was not to me like I'm like you if you tell

17:20me, oh, I can't believe so-and-so wasn't an all-star.

17:23You need to tell me who's who isn't an all-star.

17:26And so I look at these names.

17:28I'm like, man, every one of these guys is having a great

17:31year in the same way that when people say, oh man that you're

17:37Giannis and Harden were going for MVP and Giannis ended up

17:39winning it.

17:40Oh, I can't believe I said you can't believe Giannis on MVP.

17:44I just look at it.

17:46Like I'm not saying I'm not saying hey, you're wrong to think

17:49Harden should have been MVP.

17:50I'm saying you can't say I can't believe that this guy who

17:55had this insane season is MVP at some point.

17:58We have to accept payment.

17:59They're all great.

18:00But I guess this is the one right?

18:02Yeah.

18:03Yeah.

18:03Yeah, I'm an Asian conference.

18:05I'm with you.

18:06Trey young was to be the one outlier that just like wait,

18:08what would just happen?

18:10And for me the guy that I would have seriously considered not

18:14having on the team and had Trey instead is Tyler hero.

18:18I think Tyler's had a good year.

18:19I think he's been super efficient.

18:21But when I look at just the difference making that he has

18:25been to Miami and I look at the difference making that that

18:29Trey has been to Atlanta is hard for me to go with Tyler

18:32hero and the folks around Boston.

18:35They got a different kind of relationship with Tyler hero

18:39that most people realize because that was the guy that Danny

18:43Ace thought he was going to be drafted and what happened Miami

18:47that particular year the heat were picking right before the

18:50Celtics.

18:50So the Celtics instead of getting Tyler hero, they round

18:54up with Romeo Langford little different kind of player.

18:58Wow, and we and those of us who cover the team that we

19:00remember the moment that the heat pig was announced and how

19:05there was a collective groan from the brass.

19:08Yeah, because we all knew they were thinking like, ah, yeah,

19:12it would have been entirely to win like two or three places

19:14before them, you know, it is what it is.

19:16But they literally went one spot before they pick.

19:20So to that story, I got a quick story.

19:23That's kind of like that in 2009.

19:25I was working for the Phoenix Suns for an office and we

19:28thought we had a deal with Golden State on draft day to

19:31get their pick.

19:32And so when the Timberwolves picked Ricky Rubio and Johnny

19:41Flynn, Johnny Flynn, yeah back to back meaning number seven

19:45Golden State, Curry was still on the board.

19:47We all erupted in cheers.

19:49Paul Coro, who was the beat writer at the time.

19:51You remember Paul?

19:52I don't know.

19:52He's under public.

19:53Yeah.

19:53So Paul said the holding pen for the media was two floors

19:57beneath us and they still heard us cheer because they because

20:01they heard and what we thought we thought, oh my God, we

20:05got Steph Curry.

20:06And then later that night after we went out to celebrate

20:08after the draft, I see Griff David Griffin and Steve

20:11Kerr and they don't look so happy.

20:13I'm like, what's going on?

20:14And it's like Nellie changed his mind.

20:17Oh, hold on now.

20:19So I'm still thinking nah, man.

20:21Nah, nah, nah.

20:21That's just it's just leveraging whatever.

20:24And then the next day I saw the front page of the Arizona

20:28Republic was all full page picture of Steph Curry pointing

20:32to the sky.

20:32It says a new era begins and I'm like, oh yeah, we got this

20:35guy.

20:35Oh man, we they figured it out overnight and then I walk

20:38into office and they're like, nope, it ain't happening.

20:41And so I still have that paper somewhere in my garage in

20:44a box.

20:44It's because it was like that moment.

20:47I was like, yeah, there it is.

20:48That's our new franchise player and and the fact that they

20:53could hear you guys could hear them grown in that that

20:56reminded me that story.

20:57No, I'll tell you why Tyler Hero is an all-star.

21:00Okay over Trae Young what the what the argument is.

21:03I think first of all the coaches who obviously picked the

21:07reserves.

21:08They respect the environment of Miami, right?

21:15Not only of how they do things, right?

21:18There's a there's a tacit respect that but also they respect

21:22what they've been going through.

21:24True.

21:24It's a very chaotic season that they've had as far as distractions

21:29and whatnot.

21:31And obviously that's a Jimmy Butler situation and Tyler has

21:34been their best offensive player throughout the entire time.

21:37He's been consistent.

21:38His efficiency numbers are there and then terms of wins and

21:40losses.

21:42They're ahead of the Hawks, right?

21:43They are ahead of where Atlanta is.

21:45So I think that's the argument for Tyler Hero.

21:49I think it comes down to look, you know, he's playing great.

21:52He's efficient.

21:53They're winning and they've had to deal with this.

21:56Whereas for Trae Young, you could take a give him a ding

21:58for the efficiency numbers and I know they've dealt with

22:01injuries particularly Jalen Johnson who's out for the year

22:04now.

22:04We find out but just you know, it's one of those two.

22:09It's like six of one and half dozen of the other.

22:12What are you going to do?

22:13Yeah.

22:14Yeah, it's it's just I mean having watched both of those

22:17guys this year and just knowing how when you're preparing

22:21for Miami and you're preparing for Atlanta.

22:26Man, it's it's it's a tough pill to swallow for me to put

22:31Trey basically on a seat behind Tyler here, but I get it

22:35though.

22:35It absolutely is and it's not like he's a buster.

22:38I mean when you talk about a guy who averaged like eight

22:41points 10 rebounds or you know, eight assists, I mean Tyler's

22:43had a good season.

22:44There's no doubt about it, but I can see I can see the argument

22:47either way.

22:48I want to talk about in the Western Conference.

22:50No, now this was easy for me.

22:52This was a yeah, I mean who's not on that should be on.

22:58This is my thing.

22:59The Clippers have had a great year.

23:00If you're going to tell me only one Clipper goes to the

23:03All-Star game and it's not Norm Powell.

23:06I'm pretty shocked about that.

23:08Yeah, again.

23:09That's no disrespect to James Harden who I think is obviously

23:13a big part of their success, but I think Norman Powell has

23:16had an excellent year and Charlotte.

23:20I'm a admit to something that I don't know whether the coaches

23:24or the voters, you know, obviously whoever votes for what

23:29if they would admit out loud if I was a coach, there would

23:33be a part of me that would say James has been to enough

23:36of these things.

23:37This might be Norm Powell's only shot at an All-Star game.

23:41I was thinking that.

23:42Yep.

23:43And so it's like so I that alone would make me in my thought

23:47process Clippers have been good.

23:49They deserve an All-Star.

23:51I'm taking Norm because I don't know if this will ever happen

23:55for him again, right?

23:57Right and and and along those same lines.

24:00I agree with you.

24:01I don't think that James's season was distinct enough to where

24:06he could clearly take him over Norm.

24:08Yep to me.

24:10It's one of those things work.

24:11If you look at both of their bodies of work, they're so close

24:14that if to me if you can only take one, I'm going to take

24:18the new guy.

24:19Yeah, I'm with you.

24:20I would take the guy who in three or four years.

24:23How many more times do we really think Norm Powell is going

24:26to be in a conversation to be an All-Star and keep in mind

24:29the other fact that people almost never really think about

24:33every year.

24:33There's going to be a new wave of talent coming into the

24:36NBA every year.

24:37The guys that are pretty good.

24:39Now, there's going to be a couple of them.

24:40They're going to be great.

24:41And there's this dude named John Moran who let's be real.

24:47If he's healthy enough, you somebody spot is going to be

24:50taken.

24:50Yep.

24:51Yep.

24:52Yeah, you know, there's a part of me.

24:54That's real quick.

24:55There's a part of me.

24:56That's you know, it's one thing when it's a young guy, right?

25:02So last year there people like how is Victoria Minyama not

25:04an All-Star.

25:04I said, look, he's going to make plenty All-Star games.

25:06We don't have to worry about it to me.

25:08This is a little Brian his first year.

25:10We do the same thing.

25:11Yep, when it's a vet, it's like man, this might be the last

25:15the only time man.

25:17Like how how are we going to deny this guy?

25:20What would clearly be like a one of the crowning Achievements

25:26in his career?

25:27You're going to look back that time.

25:29I was an All-Star, right?

25:30Yeah, again to give it to a guy who then it at this point

25:35he's inconvenienced by the All-Star game, right?

25:37Like this one at heart is like another one of these.

25:39I gotta go.

25:39I gotta I gotta meet with these sponsors.

25:42I mean, I want to do any of this.

25:43I want to be in the Bahamas.

25:45Yeah, exactly.

25:46Exactly.

25:47So yeah, I'm with you.

25:49That's the that was the one outlier that just just didn't

25:53feel right and it isn't and the thing is most of the guys

25:56that you're talking about that are in the conversation

25:58about being an All-Star have had great season.

26:01Another one Sabonis.

26:03Yeah, I thought it's sacramental.

26:07It's similar to the Tyler Hero story as far as like the

26:10things that he's been through.

26:12I mean, your coach got fired.

26:14Your best player was out and you still giving me double

26:17doubles every single night like clockwork like, you know,

26:22def taxes double double from Sabonis.

26:24That's it's just going to happen.

26:27You leave the league.

26:29He leads the league of rebounding.

26:30He's top five and three-point percentage, which remember

26:33not so long ago.

26:34That was a weakness of his was that he couldn't take a

26:38step back and and he's shooting.

26:40I'm not saying he's getting Steph Curry attempts up, but

26:42it's not like two attempts a game.

26:45He's getting a significant number of shots up from beyond

26:47the arc.

26:49He was on my mock ballot as well.

26:53When I look at who made it again, like we said, it's hard

26:56to argue the biggest argument against the bonus to me is

27:01again.

27:01It's the the relative lack of success of the team.

27:04I know they've won a little bit more under Doug Christie,

27:06but that still puts them far behind the other bigs or

27:10reserves who made it.

27:11Jaron Jackson jr.

27:12And Alpern shangoon.

27:14Both of those guys play for teams that have been very

27:16successful and they deserve the credit for it.

27:20And then you got Victor Wembenyama.

27:22It's hard to deny that talent.

27:24And then you got Anthony Davis and Nicole.

27:25Yo, excuse me, Anthony Davis as another reserve again, he's

27:29having a year that could be in the MVP conversation at this

27:33point.

27:34So I'm with you Sabonis.

27:35I thought Sabonis was going to be there, but it's like I

27:38get why it's not.

27:40Yeah, right and put them exactly before we go any further.

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29:26going to keep running down the list of topics to talk about

29:31today and we're going to talk a little bit about the Boston

29:36Celtics.

29:38Now, here's the thing of me being in Boston and you know,

29:42it's a different kind of sports town than most sports town.

29:45The Celtics won the chip last year.

29:47Everyone excited this year.

29:51They're not winning in a regular season at the same clip

29:54and yet, you know, as you look at the standings, they've

29:58got the third best record in the NBA behind Cleveland and

30:02OKC and yet you would think that they were headed to the

30:07lottery, right?

30:08You would think that they are, you know, that they're taking

30:12for Cooper flag or something like that.

30:14How do you assess what you've seen from the Celtics this

30:17year? And again, for someone who's been around the game

30:19for a while, you've seen how teams that year after they

30:23win a championship kind of flow.

30:24How do you see the Celtics, you know, kind of fitting into

30:28that whole, you know, that that that whole paradigm of

30:31winning championship.

30:33What are you going to do next?

30:34How do you see them handle having handled this this season

30:36after winning a title?

30:37Yeah.

30:38So the all the greats who have done the multiple championships

30:42all say the same thing.

30:43The second one is harder than the first and then if you're

30:46if you're lucky enough to be in a position with three in a

30:48row, that one's even harder.

30:51It compounds in difficulty and we already know winning one

30:55is incredibly hard to begin with, right?

30:57You have to have everything break right for you.

31:01If you think about the the Celtics last season, right?

31:06You kind of met shorthanded opponents in the car and the

31:10Eastern Conference and then you get to the West and Dallas

31:13is a great opponent, but probably not the toughest one

31:17that could have came out of the West, right?

31:18So when when you look at it like that, my buddy, Tom

31:22Haverstraw has a fun saying he says every NBA champion has

31:27an asterisk next to their name.

31:29So what do you mean is that will you go through every single

31:31year? You can find how they lucked out.

31:34Oh, they were hurt or the so-and-so or you know, Durant

31:37tears his Achilles against the against Toronto.

31:40Oh LeBron was in a bubble.

31:42Oh, you know, whatever it is.

31:45There's always a reason why you know, what luck was on your

31:48side. You have to be good enough to take advantage of that

31:50luck, but luck was on their side, right?

31:53So I think what I'm projecting here, but I think maybe

31:58what's happening for the Boston faithful is they're looking

32:00at their team and said, what if last year was lady luck?

32:04Right at the same time at the same time.

32:09We also know that when you have gone to the mountaintop.

32:15You tasted the sweet nectar of victory, right?

32:20Everything else kind of take there.

32:22It is.

32:22Yeah, you taste that champagne.

32:24Yep.

32:25Everything else kind of tastes like just soda water, right?

32:29Like, oh, this is Prosecco.

32:30It ain't champagne from the champagne region of France

32:33though. Exactly.

32:34So you are trying in essence.

32:37If you're the boss itself, it's like I just need to get through

32:40this get to these, you know, however many months get to these

32:4582 games without injury without turmoil, right?

32:50Because what did the Pat Riley's say a long time ago?

32:53The disease of me when they when you win everyone's like, where

32:57is my credit?

32:58Where's my money?

32:59Where's my I sacrifice now?

33:01It's my turn to shoot more or get more touches or more minutes

33:04or a different role or I should be starting all of these things

33:07creep in into the successful locker room because inevitably

33:12when we're successful everyone wants to feel like I am acknowledged

33:17for my contribution to success.

33:19So what Brad Stevens and Joe Missoula what they have to do is

33:23they have to manage this whole situation at the manage not to

33:27not number one.

33:28Nobody gets hurt number two.

33:31Nobody has these kind of negative feelings that could be detrimental

33:35to the process.

33:35Number three.

33:36We don't burn our guys out, right?

33:39Steve Kerr talks about the 73 win season which came after

33:42championship and saying that you know, there's two things that

33:46happen.

33:46Number one Steph Curry got hurt in the first round of the playoffs,

33:50but number two, there was a little bit of a burnout from them

33:54hunting this record going after this record getting that record.

33:57Yeah, they expended some mental energy that maybe would have

34:01been better served conserved for the playoff run.

34:05Yeah, so that's what they're going through there.

34:08But I think the part again that makes people say look, I mean

34:12you beat Miami without Jimmy Butler and you beat Cleveland without

34:17so-and-so and so-and-so and you beat Indiana without whatever,

34:21you know, India who should probably shouldn't even been there

34:23and so there's I think there's always going to be almost again.

34:28I'm not talking about the Celtics.

34:29I'm talking about the fan base and maybe the greater NBA fan

34:34base a little bit of an imposter syndrome.

34:36Yeah, we are really that good and then it doesn't help when

34:41you say hey since December 1st, you guys have been kind of like

34:45roughly a couple of games above 500 since December 1st that

34:50three-point shooting that was historic has been bottom half of

34:53the league, right?

34:55There's little things that people had a problem with the way

34:59Boston played say.

35:00Oh, you can't play like that now.

35:01It's time to come like, oh, it looks like it the the chickens

35:05are coming home to roost.

35:06So yeah, yeah.

35:07Yeah, because you know, there's a reason why last season was

35:11so unexpected.

35:13I mean no team ever in NBA history shot the three-ball like

35:17they did at that volume and won an NBA title.

35:20I mean, you know, you know, Don Nelson is thinking like I was

35:23trying to do this forever and go to the state and we could never

35:26even get to the damn playoffs and they just want to chip playing

35:29a way that I like to do it in terms of offense.

35:31So there's definitely some of that going on and you know, again,

35:36just watching the Celtics team play, you know, night in night

35:39out. You just feel as though there's a there's a style of play

35:45that they still haven't quite figured out how to play in order

35:49to be the best of all that they have to offer.

35:52I mean, it's great that you can shoot a lot of threes, but if

35:56you can I don't know drive to the basket finish at the rim,

35:59maybe draw and one put it put some stress on a team defensively.

36:03Maybe you look to do that.

36:04Maybe two or three more possessions a game instead of in a cut

36:07down to threes for maybe two or three a game.

36:09I don't know.

36:09Yeah.

36:10Yeah.

36:10So they're the only team that shoots more than 50% of its field

36:13goal attempts from beyond the three-point line.

36:16They they're at 53 and a half percent of their field goal attempts

36:20come outside of the point line.

36:21The next highest team is at 46, right?

36:24So that not only are they the only one do it.

36:26There is a pretty significant gap between them and number two.

36:30I think they're also there's also a case of you know, in baseball,

36:38you don't throw a change up because a change up is this incredible

36:43pitch.

36:43You throw a change up because the other team is expecting a

36:46fastball, right?

36:47That's the the the beauty of it all is the diversity, right?

36:51And there's something to be said in of a diversity in shot

36:55profile so that I got to keep you guessing in some way.

36:59Right?

37:00And then the last part about it is three-point shooting as we've

37:03seen over the last two months for the Celtics.

37:06It can leave sometimes but you can have a team of great shooters

37:09and then it just decides for a couple of weeks.

37:13Hey, man, we're not doing this.

37:14It's not the ball saying I'm not going in.

37:17Right?

37:17And so in the course of a regular season ups and downs ebbs and

37:21flows.

37:21You live through it.

37:22You go week in the playoffs where you go to a cold stretch.

37:27One, two, three Cancun exactly.

37:29That's game over.

37:30So it's that it's the ability the looking like the appearance

37:37of a rigidity of we're going to play like this no matter what

37:42that I think puts a little doubt sometimes in people's heads.

37:45Yeah, absolutely.

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38:53What time is it game time and we are in the two-minute

38:58stretch here dos minutos of our show and I wanted to hit

39:04you up.

39:04I mean a little bit about just the trade deadline, which

39:06is going to be here before you know it Thursday.

39:10Yeah before you know it exactly.

39:13Well, I mean as someone who has been in the front office,

39:16you've been you know what this time of year is like on

39:18a way that most fans most media members don't what is it

39:21like for a front office when you are looking to like not

39:27make a radical change, but you just want to kind of just

39:29tweak a little bit just kind of you know, just a little

39:32like a haircut.

39:33Where's I don't need it all off just a little edge of

39:35edge of running just edge it off a little bit.

39:38What is that like?

39:39It's so if first and foremost, it's a lot of where it's

39:42an iceberg.

39:43It's an iceberg amount of work for maybe something that

39:47peaks ahead of the water.

39:48Maybe it doesn't even you never even see it right in terms

39:51of research.

39:52We're doing video are vast amount of video work.

39:55We're getting scouting reports both in person from scouts

39:59on the road and also off of the film and off of historical

40:03stuff.

40:03We're looking through everything that we can as far as

40:06statistical profiles and comps from guys in the past who

40:10have played certain roles for us.

40:12We're obviously the salary cap people know the contracts

40:15in and out and kind of what are the ramifications of this

40:19deal and so and by the way, it's multiple players because

40:24if you're doing like a multi-player deal, yeah, I'll give

40:28you an example 2008.

40:30We acquired Jason Richardson from the Charlotte Hornets

40:33for Boris Dia and and Roger Bell.

40:37We also got Jared Dudley in that deal.

40:39And so it's not just like, oh, yeah, I guess his number

40:42works.

40:42We're doing our homework on him too.

40:44And we're going back to when he worked out for us in

40:46pre-draft.

40:46What were the notes on that?

40:47What was his interview?

40:49Like what was his lunch like like all these things you got

40:51all this Intel for deals that may or may not happen, right?

40:56So you're doing the work especially me.

40:58I'm not negotiating.

40:59I'm not on the phone with anybody.

41:01My role was information guys.

41:03So I'm gathering all this information.

41:05I'm learning these guys inside and out and then you get

41:08to kind of this week and it's a lot of hurry up and wait.

41:11Yeah, they're negotiating.

41:12They're talking now.

41:13They might come up with a new name.

41:14Hey, what do we think of this guy?

41:15Oh, all right back in there.

41:17I gotta throw this in there and check this out and see

41:19what happens and da da da.

41:21And 90% I think that's even a low number 90% of deals

41:27never get made.

41:28Maybe it's 98%.

41:29Maybe it's 99.

41:30It's it's the large majority of things that are discussed

41:35never get made and I'm talking about everything from hey,

41:38what do you think of this?

41:39Nah to okay.

41:40I think we have a deal like that Steph Curry deal in 2009

41:44for us.

41:44It was like we thought it was done just like we thought

41:46and this is the Boston people get a kick out of this in

41:492007.

41:51We thought we got Kevin Garnett.

41:53I'll say I'll tell the story right now because the statute

41:55of limitations over everyone is retired, right?

41:582007 all-star game in Las Vegas.

42:05GQ magazine throws a party for Steve Nash because he'd won

42:08MVP the year before right at this party is Kevin Garnett.

42:13We're sitting there.

42:15I see Suns coaches drawing up on a napkin how we're going

42:20to use kg.

42:22Showing him kg is ready.

42:24Like I can't wait.

42:27It was a wrap.

42:27It was supposed to be Sean Marion going to Boston Al Jefferson

42:32and all that stuff that Boston sent them and so to go in

42:34there and maybe some pics and stuff kg comes to us or start

42:38a lineup was gonna be Steve Nash Roger Bell Grant Hill who

42:41we also knew we were going to sign in.

42:45At February 2007.

42:47I'm talking about what we write on our board.

42:48Our project to start a lineup every single time.

42:51Grant Hills is starting three.

42:53I remember asking like, how do we know?

42:54How are we so sure that we're sure?

42:57Wow.

42:58I'm artist out of bars are for Kevin Garnett's are fine.

43:02Done deal done deal done deal until not so done deal because

43:07Sean Marion's agent says, hey, Danny, and if you want Sean

43:10Marion, you got to commit to signing him for full max

43:14extension, right?

43:16Or else he'll opt out and leave because he had a he had a

43:19ETO on his deal, right?

43:21And and Danny loves Sean because I was I was about to I

43:24was about to say loves gone.

43:26That was the one guy that Danny never ever wavered for when

43:31you ask him like who you know from a workout standpoint

43:34that comes to mind on Marion was that guy.

43:39He was dying.

43:40He like that.

43:41It's so to me.

43:42It's such a weird fork in the road in history when I especially

43:47whenever I'm in Boston, I see kg there coming back and everyone

43:50London they love him so much.

43:52He loves that and I'm looking at it.

43:54Y'all don't even know he wasn't even the main target.

43:57It was it couldn't even they were like, oh, we can't get

44:00kg, but we might be able to get Sean Marion because Danny

44:03loves Sean and so they that's what Dan Fagan God rest his

44:09soul demanded and Danny said the best we can do is three

44:12years of 45 million.

44:14So it's 15 15 15 Sean, I think was supposed to make 17 the

44:19last year of his deal and Dan Fagan said there's no way Sean

44:22Marion is taking a pay cut.

44:25So if you if you acquire us, that's cool.

44:27We'll play one year and then we'll opt out and Danny said

44:30I can't I can't give up my entire future Al Jefferson and

44:35Marcus Banks and Gerald green and all these young talent.

44:38I can't give all this young talent for a guy who gonna walk

44:41so the deal dies.

44:42So then Danny reengages like kg.

44:46What would it take?

44:47So you gotta get someone else in here.

44:48So then like, okay, we got our top five pick in the lottery

44:52Seattle.

44:53They're trying to move on sale.

44:56Presley has his own ideas of how he wants to build his

44:59organization.

45:00Ray Allen is an expensive vet who doesn't fit the timeline

45:04to get Ray Allen come back to Minnesota.

45:07All right, Kevin Garnett.

45:07Is it good now?

45:08You got Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and Katie says, okay,

45:12and the rest is history and the rest is history.

45:15So in other words shot two million dollars.

45:19Yep, and by the way, and here's the worst part and again,

45:23I don't this none of this is on Sean.

45:24This is his agent who's negotiating who's doing his job.

45:28He's doing his thing was I get my clients top dollar and

45:32he is damn good at it and he was damn good at damn good,

45:35but kind of he kind of sit the bed on that one because Sean

45:39ends up getting traded in the Shaquille O'Neal deal to Miami

45:43Miami and trades in the Toronto Toronto lets his deal expire.

45:47He signs in Dallas for a lot less than 15 million dollars

45:51a year.

45:52Now he was a championship in Dallas.

45:54So I'm sure Sean is like, you know what?

45:55I made a lot of money and I got a ring and maybe one day

45:59I will go in the Hall of Fame.

46:00So it all worked out for Sean.

46:02Yeah, but yeah, I was I look at KG and I look at Steph Curry

46:07and obviously there's no way both of those things would

46:10have happened.

46:11But those are the two happen one of the one of the two

46:14happen.

46:14I'm doing this podcast interview with like a big shiny thing

46:18on my finger.

46:18Like yeah, you know things just happen.

46:22Yeah, because we're so smart.

46:23Yeah, you know things just fell into place.

46:26Yeah.

46:27Yeah, man.

46:30Oh man.

46:30Wow, that that's that's crazy.

46:33That is crazy.

46:35Well, listen, this has been awesome.

46:38I mean, we're gonna have to figure out we're going to try

46:40to figure out we can do this during the week when quantity

46:42and Gary can be around and we can afford to have them on

46:44the show too.

46:45Because they like I said, we get ready to crazy.

46:48Well, we get them on night nights and we yeah, we get

46:51them on a nice weekend.

46:53The off peak hours.

46:55Exactly.

46:56Exactly.

46:57I mean, let the people know where they can check you out

46:59and get some more of your insight on the various platforms

47:03that you operate on now.

47:04All right, easiest thing on socials at Darth Amin.

47:07I'm on all of them.

47:08I'm on threads.

47:08I'm on Instagram.

47:10I'm on Twitter kind of but I'm there right as far as listening

47:16to me serious XMNBA radio every Sunday.

47:19I'm on with Jason Jackson 10 a.m.

47:21To 1 p.m.

47:21Eastern where we do a great show kind of highlighting showcasing

47:26the entire NBA looking forward looking back to the night

47:29before everything.

47:30So it's every Sunday again 10 a.m.

47:32To 1 p.m.

47:32Eastern on serious XMNBA radio and then during the week take

47:39your pick.

47:39I've got the basketball Illuminati podcast that I do with

47:42Tom Havestro.

47:42I've got oddball that I do with Izzy Gutierrez.

47:47My man Izzy.

47:48That's my guy.

47:49Me and Izzy.

47:50Yeah, and then we got obviously the Dan Levitard show that

47:52I do with Dan Levitard and Stu Gatz during the week.

47:56You can find all those things on YouTube or wherever you

47:58get podcasts.

47:59Absolutely, and please folks check check out his work.

48:02I can tell you right now.

48:03It is well worth the listen and all of it is because I it's

48:08it's that's how like I'm just randomly surfing a dial and

48:12it's like every damn station.

48:14I'm on serious that has some type of sports content where

48:17there's talk.

48:18I'm going to come across mean at some point that day, which

48:22I like that though, man.

48:26I do.

48:26So one of the shows I fill in for it's not my show.

48:29It's Jackson show.

48:30He does a Kirk Morrison, which is for progress and that

48:33airs once a week.

48:34I want to see on Thursdays on NBA radio and NFL radio and

48:38it's it's sports talk, but from the realm of three letters

48:44that I guess are all the rage nowadays, which is diversity

48:49and inclusion, right?

48:50Dei and so we're going to tackle those stories and talk

48:55about those stories that quite frankly don't talk get talked

48:57about anywhere else every show every channel every podcast

49:01is so consumed with the day-to-day operations of whatever

49:04league or sport they're covering.

49:05It's hard to fit in some of these other stories.

49:07And so Jackson Kirk Morrison do a great job of highlighting

49:11some of those things and kind of explaining.

49:13I I do that show.

49:15I fill in in when when either Kirk or Jax can't make it,

49:18but I was I'm learning either through the interviews or

49:21kind of like the topics that we're talking about.

49:23I learned about a bunch of stuff.

49:25For example, the the college players were suing to be recognized

49:33as employees.

49:35Yeah, I learned so much about that case just prepping to

49:39do the show.

49:40And so I can only imagine for a listener how rewarding

49:43it must be.

49:44No, it's it's good content.

49:46I would strongly encourage people after you listen to the

49:50big three NBA podcasts and swing over to Sears and check

49:53out that that that content as well because it really is

49:55some good stuff before we get out of here.

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50:13for $20 off your first purchase terms apply and again one

50:17more time.

50:18I just want to thank Amin for joining us today.

50:20This was really great and we will got to figure out where

50:23to do it again because this was this was really really

50:26really good good good stuff.

50:27So appreciate you getting up early for it to make this happen

50:31to me much much much appreciative of that as well.

50:34And for those folks out there again, this is the big three

50:37NBA podcast.

50:38Enjoy the rest of your day.

50:39Take care.

50:50Bye.

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